One major problem with this league

[joeshmoe]

i dont always agree with Joe, but this is one area that I do. 

I would agree with the current ruling if we were able to actively call up and send down players to our minors similar to the NHL but at only 40 games its a small sampling of a players true potential.

I like capt'n Callys take on it. 

The 40 and done rule seems to move favor the active GM's while hurting the teams with an inactive GM and although I do believe in rewarding activity, there has been a lot of poaching of the inactive teams which I feel need protecting until its a fully 30 active GM league. 

Maybe keep the rule as is but give a 7 day period or institute a 10 game ahead warning email asking for acknowledgment from the GM.  If the GM acknowledges than fair game, if not maybe the league needs to take over that team and do/make decisions that are in the best interest of preserving that team.

This another potential way to handle it.  I still think protecting teams is best, but a compromise never-the-less.

I feel the same about teams FA/extensions/free agency at the year end. If a team has no or an inactive GM, than we should have a list of Foster GMS that are willing to make decisions or transactions with the benefit of that team in mind.

I would be in favor of this, but why not then just have replacement gms.  What if the league submitted roster changes for voting on by the membership?  Or something else?

[snugerud]

that was a suggestion of what to do while looking for a new GM, and rather than have someone from outside take over for only a few weeks that doesnt understand the inner workings of the league I think it would be better to have seasoned GM of FNHL make the moves. 

[PsychoticPondGoons]

Sounds like the guys above want a country club pool where you come and go as you please.  Next thing you know they'll ask for towel boys.

This doesn't really even impact play all that much. Why fuss over this?

[joeshmoe]

Sounds like the guys above want a country club pool where you come and go as you please.  Next thing you know they'll ask for towel boys.

This doesn't really even impact play all that much. Why fuss over this?

That is probably a misunderstanding of what we're talking about.

And it does impact play, as it creates an artificial gap between the haves and have nots....that doesnt need to be.

[snugerud]

Think about it this way, when the Phoenix Coyotes went bankrupt the NHL didnt just let the team run with no owner and not make any attempts to retain their free agents or put together a competitive team. 

The NHL has continued to run the team and make strategic moves that make it attractive to a new owner.  If we have a team thats GM has gone AWOL then I think reasonable effort needs to be made to keep the team as an attractive take over for a new GM. 

[PigsRule]

Think about it this way, when the Phoenix Coyotes went bankrupt the NHL didnt just let the team run with no owner and not make any attempts to retain their free agents or put together a competitive team. 

The NHL has continued to run the team and make strategic moves that make it attractive to a new owner.  If we have a team thats GM has gone AWOL then I think reasonable effort needs to be made to keep the team as an attractive take over for a new GM. 

i agree with ur statement and the example is completely valid.

fast forward to the 2012 off-season. no less than 5 teams were owner-less with a few more in questionable state for various reasons (owners sat on the sidelines while the league found a new commish, or 2... some were on vacation and figured the league for dead in May + June, i was almost in that boat)...

so i took basic control of the teams, prep'ed relevant pending FAs to be resigned, teams included          


in i replaced the owner and invited Izaman3 and he hit the ground running, as did every else who's been invited to take over these teams including you Snug with ! 

the league couldn't afford to let each team's key players walk due to a vacant owner's chair.
then i actively sought out knowledgeable owners.

however, in case, they missed 5-6 posts plastered on key pgs over 1.5mths (plus missed the entire 4 round draft causing a full 12-hr cycle timeout each time) and thus lost core players due to a ruling made by the ex-interim commish. i monitored that and made a judgement call... the commish unfortunately cannot babysit every team especially if the owner is on the site frequently and still misses important notices.

so agreed Snug, i see protecting each team as part of the league's/commissioner's mandate.   

[snugerud]

set, spike , match , you sunk my battleship! 
 

That was before my time and hopefully with the new crop of GM's this wont really be an issue. 

[PigsRule]

this is a great discussion btw...

now let me speak as a team owner and not the commish... i have to balance the thinking here.


owner says... seriously guys! seriously?!?

u can't have ur cake and eat it too.
all these comments below ask for hand-holding.
it takes min. of 60-days (2months) play 40 NHL games. if you're not on the site in 2 months, it's best you step away from any league, not just FNHL. 
note: inactive owners was a serious issue in yr1, no?? so why reward inactivity? doesn't make sense.

also, if 40 games isn't enough to assess rookie talent, that's a seperate matter.
suggestion: raise MiLR games limit from 40 to 82 games. 
but who's gonna say, "hold it, it takes longer to evaluate goalies and d-men!"?
someone drew the line for the rule. it's a rule to keep the league structured. isn't that the point of these leagues, some structure but not all uniform.

Whoa whoa whoa, joeshmoe, are you saying that once a player hits 40 games in the NHL and isn't signed to a contract/brought up to the NHL club, that they are automatically released into FA for everyone to bid on?

That seems quite ridiculous...

As joeshmoe said, not all of us can be on a computer to track when the 40th game is played, or even the 37-39th....
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But at the same time, 40 games is pretty tough to judge a rookie's value.
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The 40 and done rule seems to move favor the active GM's while hurting the teams with an inactive GM and although I do believe in rewarding activity, there has been a lot of poaching of the inactive teams which I feel need protecting until its a fully 30 active GM league. 
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And it does impact play, as it creates an artificial gap between the haves and have nots....that doesnt need to be.

now this comment above is kinda funny imo.

i can say the same for teams that joined well after FNHL was setup and took on projects and crippled teams (ones without any goalie, without cap space, no prospects on the horizon).

the likes of NYI, CHI, CBJ, COL + MON are all so-called "have not" teams and i can sympathize with them. even and my were projects without a starter when hockeyfreak47 and i took over our teams last July'11... but isn't that the point of fantasy sometimes to take on a full rebuild and having some fun with it? i invited all those new owners and openly told them the teams were projects. in fact i told snug and a few others the was the biggest project outside of   (it's no wonder it took forever to find their new owner).


the way i see it, the 40 gms and done rule is asking owners to monitor + manage their team present + future. isn't that why ppl signed up for this league ... there's a MiLR to play with!? otherwise, what's the point of a minor league system if you except someone else to automatically manage your minors for you either manually or with safety net rules?

should the automatically roll over every pending FA's contract as well? isn't that what you guys are basically asking for here? i hope not.

[snugerud]

I have no problem with the rebuild, I actually took the NYI as a challenge. 

I was mainly looking at the hodgson example, since the petry one is a ho, hum gamble but Hodgson is and will be a great player.  I know in my league that I comish if I saw a team letting a guy like hodgson go without signing him I would have probably blocked that deal as either the GM isnt knowledgeable or inactive. 

That said this didnt happen on your watch so you cant bare the responsibility for it.  I was making a suggestion to prevent it in the future, which as I pointed out in a previous thread hopefully shouldnt be an issue with the new crop of active GM's. 

[Capn Cally]

the way i see it, the 40 gms and done rule is asking owners to monitor + manage their team present + future. isn't that why ppl signed up for this league ... there's a MiLR to play with!? otherwise, what's the point of a minor league system if you except someone else to automatically manage your minors for you either manually or with safety net rules?

should the automatically roll over every pending FA's contract as well? isn't that what you guys are basically asking for here? i hope not.

Isn't the point of a minor league team to: have "minor league" players - or in this case, players under 40 games of NHL experience?

I bring this up because I know my team has about 5 players that have not played in the NHL and maybe won't play in the NHL (40 games anyways) for 1-3 more seasons.
What's the point of burning roster spots on a team like mine when they won't contribute.
I have what, 3C, 4LW, 3RW, 1G and a full set of D to compete with this year, with the rest of the roster filled out by guys that most likely won't play this year, and if they do, will have very little impact.
Why are those types of players not "allowed" to be sent to the minor league system? Half of my RW group have never skated in an NHL game...

Don't get me wrong, I knew this "rule" or "system" whey I joined, so I am not complaining - I'm just using my team as an example because I know it better than anyone else's. I'm sure other teams have some players, or prospects, that are on their NHL team that won't be in the NHL for a while either.

Just seems silly to try to compete with other teams' full rosters, when there are still prospects on your main roster that won't contribute any points.

If I actually didn't give a poop about my team I'd buy out all the NHL players and sign whatever rookies are left over from previous years drafts (kind of like snug has slowly been doing) and then just tank it for the next 2 years to get higher draft picks in the yearly draft.