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One major problem with this league
« on: September 05, 2012, 01:25:06 PM »
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=51028.0

How is this an acceptable loophole in a franchise league?  No wonder the league is so slighted to a few teams.  Because people can do things like this.

This league should not be so cumbersome as to that, if you don't check in every single day your team is destroyed.  Who wants to come to our league to pick up the pieces of this?  We should not be able to snipe players from teams so easily. 

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Re: One major problem with this league
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2012, 03:37:55 PM »
This quote was the team that drafted him signing him to a contract and calling him up to the majors.
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Re: One major problem with this league
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2012, 03:49:20 PM »
This quote was the team that drafted him signing him to a contract and calling him up to the majors.

Okay, maybe a wrong choice for the example, but the situation is still valid.
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Re: One major problem with this league
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2012, 12:54:35 PM »
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=51028.0

How is this an acceptable loophole in a franchise league?  No wonder the league is so slighted to a few teams.  Because people can do things like this.

This league should not be so cumbersome as to that, if you don't check in every single day your team is destroyed.  Who wants to come to our league to pick up the pieces of this?  We should not be able to snipe players from teams so easily. 

Gross

what situation/rule/strategy are you referring to?  perhaps it's already been addressed by the previous commish? lmk
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Re: One major problem with this league
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2012, 01:44:44 PM »
what situation/rule/strategy are you referring to?  perhaps it's already been addressed by the previous commish? lmk

I am talking about the rule change to allow for people to take prospects who have reached 40 games.  The players shouldnt be dropped as it really screws up the system and ruins teams with bad owners...only to help the teams which are profsl-pros and have all day to sit at the keyboard.

Also, it might be different if we could see the stats and games played easily, i.e. if MiLR players were entered into fantrax...but this is not the case.  Simply makes this league more work.

to examples of this:

http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=47045.0

http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=47075.0
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Re: One major problem with this league
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2012, 01:57:03 PM »
I am talking about the rule change to allow for people to take prospects who have reached 40 games.  The players shouldnt be dropped as it really screws up the system and ruins teams with bad owners...only to help the teams which are profsl-pros and have all day to sit at the keyboard.

Also, it might be different if we could see the stats and games played easily, i.e. if MiLR players were entered into fantrax...but this is not the case.  Simply makes this league more work.

to examples of this:

http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=47045.0

http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=47075.0

got it... i joined in yr2 and thought that was the way it was originally setup. either way, everyone has a fair shot at the released MiLR players that have exceeded the 40 gm limit.

in fact, i though hf6k + mike were very generous to allow for 24hr notification of the games exceeded.

but i have to say you ask for reality and yet you think that there should be a safety net in place to protect team property?

i've said it before, it's not like 40 games crept up on a GM. an owner can sign the MiLR player after they've played 1 game, or 40 games...  failure to sign an active MiLR is just a case of a person gambling they won't get caught. lol
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Re: One major problem with this league
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2012, 02:00:23 PM »
I am talking about the rule change to allow for people to take prospects who have reached 40 games.  The players shouldnt be dropped as it really screws up the system and ruins teams with bad owners...only to help the teams which are profsl-pros and have all day to sit at the keyboard.

Also, it might be different if we could see the stats and games played easily, i.e. if MiLR players were entered into fantrax...but this is not the case.  Simply makes this league more work.

to examples of this:

http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=47045.0

http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=47075.0

Whoa whoa whoa, joeshmoe, are you saying that once a player hits 40 games in the NHL and isn't signed to a contract/brought up to the NHL club, that they are automatically released into FA for everyone to bid on?

That seems quite ridiculous...

As joeshmoe said, not all of us can be on a computer to track when the 40th game is played, or even the 37-39th....
YES, usually if a player is putting up decent pionts than he would already be on the NHL club, aka RNH, Landeskog last year, Yakupv this year. Don't think their owners would let them sit in the minors when they're probably better than a lot of players on their NHL roster.

But at the same time, 40 games is pretty tough to judge a rookie's value.


Maybe it makes more sense, that once a prospect reaches 40 games, if he's NOT called up to the NHL team, he can't be called up for the rest of the season.
THEN, at the end of the season (in our off-season), the owner has to decide whether they want to keep that prospect (sign to a contract and bring up), or release into the FA pool. Much like extensions would work, except it's also with prospects over 40 games played.

Example:
Alex Galchenyuk is relegated to a 3rd line role in Montreal with no powerplay time, but is still dressing every night. Barely is putting up any FanPoints.
Once he hits 40 games, the owner does not want to bring him up because his/her team has a shot to win the title and doesn't want to burn a roster spot on a rookie that is not doing anything.
You (PigsRule) let the owner hold on to Gally, but even if he gets promoted to the 1st line due to injury on the Habs in say game 60, he can't be called up to the NHL club.
Once the season is over, the owner then must make a decision of whether or not to keep Gally. If they want him, they sign him to a contract (max 2 years at this point because he has technically burned his 1st year of contract eligibility) and have to bring him up to the NHL club.
If they don't want him, they simple release him to FA (again, kind of the same process as an expiring contract - either you re-sign the player, or you release into FA).



Probably a bad example of player choice, but maybe more of a realistic one than using Nail Yakupov, haha.

I would propose that just because it's so hard to judge the value of rookies if they are not sure-fire players like Yakupov, Galchenyuk, etc. And being 18-20 year old rookies, most of them don't step into top line roles and score 50-70 points in their first season... Let alone their first 40 games in the big leagues. It takes time to adjust and time for the coaches to gain confidence in them.... Tough to do over just half a season.
Sometimes you see rookies really come on in the 2nd half of the season, in the last 30 games or so, when they are more comfortable with everything.
That's the time when a fantasy owner can more accurately judge where the guy will go in the future... I think anyways.

Just my idea/thought on this matter.... If I have the situation joeshmoe brought right.
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Re: One major problem with this league
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2012, 02:48:58 PM »
Whoa whoa whoa, joeshmoe, are you saying that once a player hits 40 games in the NHL and isn't signed to a contract/brought up to the NHL club, that they are automatically released into FA for everyone to bid on?

That seems quite ridiculous...

As joeshmoe said, not all of us can be on a computer to track when the 40th game is played, or even the 37-39th....


This is exactly what I'm saying.

When the league was founded the players, once reached forty games were simply put onto the major league roster automatically.  If that caused a penalty (over cap or over roster size) then you had the owner make adjustments, but they weren't robbed in the meanwhile.  The administration checked the rosters every so often to make sure they were up to date.  It wasn't so aggressive. 

That was changed year two and was a terrible step forward for the league.  It was set up to help the few and that is apparent if you track it back to its origin.

Also, pigs, if a person should place players on their major league roster to avoid the penalties, why even have minor league rosters?  The idea was that it's a place for minor leaguers to grow without costing the major league team the chance to compete.  The intent was beautiful.  Otherwise, lets just do away with minor league rosters and count all contracts towards the cap, this way it's fair across the board and not set up to benefit the profsl-pros.

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Re: One major problem with this league
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2012, 03:20:21 PM »
Whoa whoa whoa, joeshmoe, are you saying that once a player hits 40 games in the NHL and isn't signed to a contract/brought up to the NHL club, that they are automatically released into FA for everyone to bid on?

That seems quite ridiculous...

As joeshmoe said, not all of us can be on a computer to track when the 40th game is played, or even the 37-39th....
YES, usually if a player is putting up decent pionts than he would already be on the NHL club, aka RNH, Landeskog last year, Yakupv this year. Don't think their owners would let them sit in the minors when they're probably better than a lot of players on their NHL roster.

But at the same time, 40 games is pretty tough to judge a rookie's value.


Maybe it makes more sense, that once a prospect reaches 40 games, if he's NOT called up to the NHL team, he can't be called up for the rest of the season.
THEN, at the end of the season (in our off-season), the owner has to decide whether they want to keep that prospect (sign to a contract and bring up), or release into the FA pool. Much like extensions would work, except it's also with prospects over 40 games played.

Example:
Alex Galchenyuk is relegated to a 3rd line role in Montreal with no powerplay time, but is still dressing every night. Barely is putting up any FanPoints.
Once he hits 40 games, the owner does not want to bring him up because his/her team has a shot to win the title and doesn't want to burn a roster spot on a rookie that is not doing anything.
You (PigsRule) let the owner hold on to Gally, but even if he gets promoted to the 1st line due to injury on the Habs in say game 60, he can't be called up to the NHL club.
Once the season is over, the owner then must make a decision of whether or not to keep Gally. If they want him, they sign him to a contract (max 2 years at this point because he has technically burned his 1st year of contract eligibility) and have to bring him up to the NHL club.
If they don't want him, they simple release him to FA (again, kind of the same process as an expiring contract - either you re-sign the player, or you release into FA).



Probably a bad example of player choice, but maybe more of a realistic one than using Nail Yakupov, haha.

I would propose that just because it's so hard to judge the value of rookies if they are not sure-fire players like Yakupov, Galchenyuk, etc. And being 18-20 year old rookies, most of them don't step into top line roles and score 50-70 points in their first season... Let alone their first 40 games in the big leagues. It takes time to adjust and time for the coaches to gain confidence in them.... Tough to do over just half a season.
Sometimes you see rookies really come on in the 2nd half of the season, in the last 30 games or so, when they are more comfortable with everything.
That's the time when a fantasy owner can more accurately judge where the guy will go in the future... I think anyways.

Just my idea/thought on this matter.... If I have the situation joeshmoe brought right.

Agreed Capn Colly very well said
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Re: One major problem with this league
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2012, 03:25:59 PM »
i dont always agree with Joe, but this is one area that I do. 

I would agree with the current ruling if we were able to actively call up and send down players to our minors similar to the NHL but at only 40 games its a small sampling of a players true potential.

I like capt'n Callys take on it. 

The 40 and done rule seems to move favor the active GM's while hurting the teams with an inactive GM and although I do believe in rewarding activity, there has been a lot of poaching of the inactive teams which I feel need protecting until its a fully 30 active GM league. 

Maybe keep the rule as is but give a 7 day period or institute a 10 game ahead warning email asking for acknowledgment from the GM.  If the GM acknowledges than fair game, if not maybe the league needs to take over that team and do/make decisions that are in the best interest of preserving that team.

I feel the same about teams FA/extensions/free agency at the year end. If a team has no or an inactive GM, than we should have a list of Foster GMS that are willing to make decisions or transactions with the benefit of that team in mind. 
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