One major problem with this league

[PigsRule]

I see this thread as an opportunity for some teams to hurl negative comments and see no need to leave this open any long. The title itself is ultra negative in tone.

if the league owners want to discuss this MiLR matter in a professional matter, pl open a new thread and be professional.

thread closed.

[Capn Cally]

I don't know what the last manager was smoking but that Avs roster is stacked with prospects. Why would anyone sit round and wait years to rebuild a fantasy team. You can build or tear down a team almost overnight anytime.

On that note why don't you send over Huberneau/Jurco and see what I'll send back. haha

Haha... I was talking more about the guys signed on the NHL roster than the guys in the minors! Kuznetsov, Shore, Pulk, Thomas, Bulmer, etc etc. Seems pointless to have em on my roster since they're not in the NHL.
But oh well my NHL players suck too so overall the team as a whole will suck until those young guys hit the NHL. This is a fairly low-maintenance team haha. Just set the roster and watch the team get destroyed every week! I'm prepared for the worst...!

[PsychoticPondGoons]

Isn't the point of a minor league team to: have "minor league" players - or in this case, players under 40 games of NHL experience?

I bring this up because I know my team has about 5 players that have not played in the NHL and maybe won't play in the NHL (40 games anyways) for 1-3 more seasons.
What's the point of burning roster spots on a team like mine when they won't contribute.
I have what, 3C, 4LW, 3RW, 1G and a full set of D to compete with this year, with the rest of the roster filled out by guys that most likely won't play this year, and if they do, will have very little impact.
Why are those types of players not "allowed" to be sent to the minor league system? Half of my RW group have never skated in an NHL game...

Don't get me wrong, I knew this "rule" or "system" whey I joined, so I am not complaining - I'm just using my team as an example because I know it better than anyone else's. I'm sure other teams have some players, or prospects, that are on their NHL team that won't be in the NHL for a while either.

Just seems silly to try to compete with other teams' full rosters, when there are still prospects on your main roster that won't contribute any points.

If I actually didn't give a poop about my team I'd buy out all the NHL players and sign whatever rookies are left over from previous years drafts (kind of like snug has slowly been doing) and then just tank it for the next 2 years to get higher draft picks in the yearly draft.

I don't know what the last manager was smoking but that Avs roster is stacked with prospects. Why would anyone sit round and wait years to rebuild a fantasy team. You can build or tear down a team almost overnight anytime.

On that note why don't you send over Huberneau/Jurco and see what I'll send back. haha

[PsychoticPondGoons]

How can you even post this if you stand for teams snipping the young talent from struggling squads?  The teams that get the guys quickest to the NHL need them the most.  This is a confusing statement.

And your dig on Boston assumes that the administration wasn't smart enough to follow the rules clearly written out.  Lets bring the problem to the root of the issue if we're going to bring it up.

It's like you have it in for people around here bro. What gives

[joeshmoe]

so agreed Snug, i see protecting each team as part of the league's/commissioner's mandate.   

How can you even post this if you stand for teams snipping the young talent from struggling squads?  The teams that get the guys quickest to the NHL need them the most.  This is a confusing statement.

And your dig on Boston assumes that the administration wasn't smart enough to follow the rules clearly written out.  Lets bring the problem to the root of the issue if we're going to bring it up.

[joeshmoe]

this is a great discussion btw...

now let me speak as a team owner and not the commish... i have to balance the thinking here.


owner says... seriously guys! seriously?!?

u can't have ur cake and eat it too.
all these comments below ask for hand-holding.
it takes min. of 60-days (2months) play 40 NHL games. if you're not on the site in 2 months, it's best you step away from any league, not just FNHL. 
note: inactive owners was a serious issue in yr1, no?? so why reward inactivity? doesn't make sense.

also, if 40 games isn't enough to assess rookie talent, that's a seperate matter.
suggestion: raise MiLR games limit from 40 to 82 games. 
but who's gonna say, "hold it, it takes longer to evaluate goalies and d-men!"?
someone drew the line for the rule. it's a rule to keep the league structured. isn't that the point of these leagues, some structure but not all uniform.


now this comment above is kinda funny imo.

i can say the same for teams that joined well after FNHL was setup and took on projects and crippled teams (ones without any goalie, without cap space, no prospects on the horizon).

the likes of NYI, CHI, CBJ, COL + MON are all so-called "have not" teams and i can sympathize with them. even and my were projects without a starter when hockeyfreak47 and i took over our teams last July'11... but isn't that the point of fantasy sometimes to take on a full rebuild and having some fun with it? i invited all those new owners and openly told them the teams were projects. in fact i told snug and a few others the was the biggest project outside of   (it's no wonder it took forever to find their new owner).


the way i see it, the 40 gms and done rule is asking owners to monitor + manage their team present + future. isn't that why ppl signed up for this league ... there's a MiLR to play with!? otherwise, what's the point of a minor league system if you except someone else to automatically manage your minors for you either manually or with safety net rules?

should the automatically roll over every pending FA's contract as well? isn't that what you guys are basically asking for here? i hope not.

You miss the point completely, congrats! 

[snugerud]

Hey now i still have enough guys to fill my roster on any given night. 

[Capn Cally]

the way i see it, the 40 gms and done rule is asking owners to monitor + manage their team present + future. isn't that why ppl signed up for this league ... there's a MiLR to play with!? otherwise, what's the point of a minor league system if you except someone else to automatically manage your minors for you either manually or with safety net rules?

should the automatically roll over every pending FA's contract as well? isn't that what you guys are basically asking for here? i hope not.

Isn't the point of a minor league team to: have "minor league" players - or in this case, players under 40 games of NHL experience?

I bring this up because I know my team has about 5 players that have not played in the NHL and maybe won't play in the NHL (40 games anyways) for 1-3 more seasons.
What's the point of burning roster spots on a team like mine when they won't contribute.
I have what, 3C, 4LW, 3RW, 1G and a full set of D to compete with this year, with the rest of the roster filled out by guys that most likely won't play this year, and if they do, will have very little impact.
Why are those types of players not "allowed" to be sent to the minor league system? Half of my RW group have never skated in an NHL game...

Don't get me wrong, I knew this "rule" or "system" whey I joined, so I am not complaining - I'm just using my team as an example because I know it better than anyone else's. I'm sure other teams have some players, or prospects, that are on their NHL team that won't be in the NHL for a while either.

Just seems silly to try to compete with other teams' full rosters, when there are still prospects on your main roster that won't contribute any points.

If I actually didn't give a poop about my team I'd buy out all the NHL players and sign whatever rookies are left over from previous years drafts (kind of like snug has slowly been doing) and then just tank it for the next 2 years to get higher draft picks in the yearly draft.

[snugerud]

I have no problem with the rebuild, I actually took the NYI as a challenge. 

I was mainly looking at the hodgson example, since the petry one is a ho, hum gamble but Hodgson is and will be a great player.  I know in my league that I comish if I saw a team letting a guy like hodgson go without signing him I would have probably blocked that deal as either the GM isnt knowledgeable or inactive. 

That said this didnt happen on your watch so you cant bare the responsibility for it.  I was making a suggestion to prevent it in the future, which as I pointed out in a previous thread hopefully shouldnt be an issue with the new crop of active GM's. 

[PigsRule]

this is a great discussion btw...

now let me speak as a team owner and not the commish... i have to balance the thinking here.


owner says... seriously guys! seriously?!?

u can't have ur cake and eat it too.
all these comments below ask for hand-holding.
it takes min. of 60-days (2months) play 40 NHL games. if you're not on the site in 2 months, it's best you step away from any league, not just FNHL. 
note: inactive owners was a serious issue in yr1, no?? so why reward inactivity? doesn't make sense.

also, if 40 games isn't enough to assess rookie talent, that's a seperate matter.
suggestion: raise MiLR games limit from 40 to 82 games. 
but who's gonna say, "hold it, it takes longer to evaluate goalies and d-men!"?
someone drew the line for the rule. it's a rule to keep the league structured. isn't that the point of these leagues, some structure but not all uniform.

Whoa whoa whoa, joeshmoe, are you saying that once a player hits 40 games in the NHL and isn't signed to a contract/brought up to the NHL club, that they are automatically released into FA for everyone to bid on?

That seems quite ridiculous...

As joeshmoe said, not all of us can be on a computer to track when the 40th game is played, or even the 37-39th....
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But at the same time, 40 games is pretty tough to judge a rookie's value.
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The 40 and done rule seems to move favor the active GM's while hurting the teams with an inactive GM and although I do believe in rewarding activity, there has been a lot of poaching of the inactive teams which I feel need protecting until its a fully 30 active GM league. 
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And it does impact play, as it creates an artificial gap between the haves and have nots....that doesnt need to be.

now this comment above is kinda funny imo.

i can say the same for teams that joined well after FNHL was setup and took on projects and crippled teams (ones without any goalie, without cap space, no prospects on the horizon).

the likes of NYI, CHI, CBJ, COL + MON are all so-called "have not" teams and i can sympathize with them. even and my were projects without a starter when hockeyfreak47 and i took over our teams last July'11... but isn't that the point of fantasy sometimes to take on a full rebuild and having some fun with it? i invited all those new owners and openly told them the teams were projects. in fact i told snug and a few others the was the biggest project outside of   (it's no wonder it took forever to find their new owner).


the way i see it, the 40 gms and done rule is asking owners to monitor + manage their team present + future. isn't that why ppl signed up for this league ... there's a MiLR to play with!? otherwise, what's the point of a minor league system if you except someone else to automatically manage your minors for you either manually or with safety net rules?

should the automatically roll over every pending FA's contract as well? isn't that what you guys are basically asking for here? i hope not.