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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2009, 12:52:23 AM »
I love this.....some of these people are in it!
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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2009, 05:23:23 PM »
I trimmed the pool down a bit, interesting results so far may keep the 2010 stats reasonable close to the 2009 stats.
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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2009, 08:28:45 PM »
Would anyone support making this a head to head points league (as opposed to roto)?  This would give us the opportunity to assign different weightings to each statistical category.  For instance, a hr would be worth more than a sb.  I'm in a league configured like this and has it worked well... Also, I think the current format is flawed and can be manipulated.  For instance, given that it's roto style and all percentage-based, wouldn't the best strategy be to only play your best players and put minor leaguers/injured players/backup players in the other spots (therefore weighting your best players performance more heavily).  For example, I surely would be better with an injured schmidt in my rotation than eric milton.

Scoring for Batting Categories
1B - Singles   1 point
2B - Doubles   2 points
3B - Triples   3 points
BB - Walks (Batters)   1 point
CS - Caught Stealing   -1 point
GDP - Ground Into Double Plays   -1 point
HR - Home Runs   4 points
IB - Intentional Walks   0.5 points
KO - Strikeouts (Batter)   -1 point
R - Runs   1 point
RBI - Runs Batted In   1 point
SB - Stolen Bases   1.5 points
 
Scoring for Pitching Categories
BBI - Walks Issued (Pitchers)   -1 point
BS - Blown Saves   -3 points
CG - Complete Games   5 points
ER - Earned Runs   -1 point
INN - Innings   1 point
K - Strikeouts (Pitcher)   1 point
L - Losses   -5 points
QS - Quality Starts   7.5 points
S - Saves   7 points
SO - Shutouts   5 points
W - Wins   7.5 points

I think, if people are interested in this set up, we could try to modify to add defense.  Also, we could attempt to strip out team-related statistics (such as rbi's, runs, wins, losses) while adding hr allowed, holds, and perhaps add values for gballs, fballs to reflect the diff between fb and gb pitchers.  Just some ideas, not sure what the website's capabilities are but I'm certain there are better ways to setup scoring to accurately reflect our teams' performance. 
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Re: Scoring Categories
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2009, 10:53:34 AM »
I decided to change the scoring categories for 2009.  I was unhappy with the current settings as the integrity of the game could possibly be ruined if a GM manipulated the stats by plugging only their best stars in the lineup.  Granted, you must have players filled in the active role, but you could theoretically put your few best players in there plus a bunch of guys who are not playing in the majors.

There is a necessity for recognizing playing time.  However, I did not want stats that are dependent upon teammates' performances such as R, RBI, W, L, SV, HLD.  With that said, I still wanted defense to be recognized.  I also rethought about K/9 and how this shouldn't be a stat.  There are quality pitchers that do not get many strikeouts.  On offense, there are quality players that do not steal bases either, so I removed that as a solo stat.

I have set it to be a 3x3 weighted H2H matchup where 50% of the points are countable stats that you need your players to play in games and the other 50% are points earned from performance ratios.

Position Players
RC (3)* - Runs Created = TB*(H+BB)/PA <- This is actually a stat that increases with game play, and is not a ratio... take a look at career runs created leaders
RF (2) - Range Factor = (PO + A)/GP <- The factor combined PUTOUTS and ASSISTS
OPS (1) - On-Base + Slugging Percentage = OBP + SLUG

Pitchers
IP (3) - Innings Pitched <- One of the very few things that Fantrax does not have is a minimum IP setting for H2H, this will ensure that people play their pitchers.
WHIP (2) - Walks + Hits / Innings Pitched  <- The most widely used pitching sabermetric
K/BB (1) - Strikeouts / Walks <- The Greg Madduxes of the world make it by keeping their walks to a minimum, this stat usually tells the tale of a false ERA just as much as WHIP

12 points for the taking, 6 on each side, and 6 that are ratios and 6 that are stats that increase with time
*There are a few different Runs Created formulas out there, the one I show is the most simple, but another variation applies stolen bases and another one applies HBP and GIDP on top of that.  I emailed Fantrax to find out which one they do use.

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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2009, 11:33:58 AM »
I think this is a big improvement although I think we could go a step further by using the underlying counting stats assigning a value for each and having a h2h points league.  This would solve two issues; one, is the equal weighting of each category, and two, is the fact that a huge discrepancy doesn't turn up in weekly scores (if a team completely out-slugs it's opponent it's not quantified in the weekly total, etc).

I understand how runs created will be calculated for each player.  How will they be calculated for an entire lineup?  I assume each player in the lineup will be added up in order to calculate the weekly total?

Also, although a better statistic than ERA, I'd question the merit of WHIP as the "hits" component is reliant on a pitcher's defense.
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« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2009, 03:28:20 PM »
Agreed on WHIP - maybe use FIP instead?
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Re: Scoring Categories
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2009, 05:36:53 PM »
Agreed on WHIP - maybe use FIP instead?

I would prefer FIP over WHIP, but it is currently unavailable. There really isn't a way to manipulate the stats to produce the desired results of Fielding Independent Pitching.
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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2009, 06:05:34 PM »
I imagine there's no xera option either?
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Re: Scoring Categories
« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2009, 06:27:12 PM »
I imagine there's no xera option either?

Here is what is available:

POSITION PLAYERS
Avg - Batting Average
CS - Caught Stealing
DP - Double Plays Fielded
2B - Doubles
E - Errors
XBH - Extra Base Hits
FLD% - Fielding Percentage
FB - Fly Balls
GP - Games Played
Sl - Grand Slams
GB/FB - Ground Ball/Fly Ball Ratio
GB - Ground Balls
GIDP - Grounded Into Double Plays
HBP - Hit By Pitches
Cyc - Hit For The Cycle
H - Hits
HR - Home Runs
IBB - Intentional Walks
MHG - Multiple Hit Games
MHRG - Multiple Home Run Games
NSB - Net Stolen Bases
OPS - On Base + Slugging Percentage
OBP - On Base Percentage
PB - Passed Balls
PKO - Picked Off
P/PA - Pitches Faced per Plate Appearance
PA - Plate Appearances
PO - Putouts
RF - Range Factor
LOB - Runners Left On Base
RL2O - Runners in Scoring Position Left On Base with 2 Outs
RBI - Runs Batted In
RC - Runs Created
RC27 - Runs Created Per 27 Outs
RP - Runs Produced (RBI + R)
R - Runs Scored
SF - Sacrifice Flies
SH - Sacrifice Hits
1B - Singles
SLG - Slugging Percentage
SBA% - Stolen Base Against %
SB% - Stolen Base Percentage
SB - Stolen Bases
SBA - Stolen Bases Against
SO - Strikeouts
TB - Total Bases
TB+BB - Total Bases + Walks
TP - Triple Plays Fielded
3B - Triples
BB - Walks
ZR - Zone Rating

PITCHERS
A - Assists
Bk - Balks
BRA - Baserunners Allowed (BB + H + HB)
BR/9 - Baserunners Allowed Per Nine Innings
BAA - Batting Average Against
BS - Blown Saves
CG - Complete Games
DP - Double Plays Fielded
2B - Doubles Allowed
ERA - Earned Run Average
ER - Earned Runs Allowed
E - Errors
XBHA - Extra Base Hits Allowed
FLD% - Fielding Percentage
FB - Fly Balls Allowed
GP - Games Played
GS - Games Started
GB/FB - Ground Ball/Fly Ball Ratio Against
GB - Ground Balls Allowed
GIDP - Grounded Into Double Plays Against
HB - Hit Batsmen
H - Hits Allowed
H/IP - Hits Allowed Per Inning Pitched
Hld - Holds
HR - Home Runs Allowed
HR/9 - Home Runs Allowed Per Nine Innings
IR - Inherited Runners
IRS - Inherited Runners Stranded
IRS% - Inherited Runners Stranded %
IP - Innings Pitched
IBB - Intentional Walks Allowed
L - Losses
NS2 - Net Saves (Saves - Blown Saves + .5 * Holds)
NS - Net Saves (Sv - BS)
NW - Net Wins (W - L)
NH - No Hitters
OPS - On Base + Slugging Percentage
OBP - On Base Percentage
PG - Perfect Games
PKO - Pickoffs
P/PA - Pitches Thrown per Plate Appearance
PO - Putouts
QS - Quality Starts
RF - Range Factor
RL - Relief Losses
RW - Relief Wins
R - Runs Allowed
Sv - Saves
ShO - Shutouts
1B - Singles Allowed
SLG - Slugging Percentage
SBA% - Stolen Base Against %
SBA - Stolen Bases Against
SO - Strikeouts Pitched
SO/9 - Strikeouts Pitched Per Nine Innings
SO/BB - Strikeouts Pitched Per Walk
TB - Total Bases
TP - Triple Plays Fielded
3B - Triples Allowed
WHIP - Walks + Hits per Inning Pitched
BB - Walks Allowed
BB/9 - Walks Pitched Per Nine Innings
WP - Wild Pitches
W% - Win Percentage
W - Wins
ZR - Zone Rating
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Re: Scoring Categories
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2009, 09:30:51 AM »
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