Official RC Vote on Clearing Extension Loopholes

[Colby]

The issue is timing here.  The Prince Fielder rule will likely happen immediately.

[rcankosy]

Implement the deadline to re-sign vets immediately too.  What is the downside?

[rcankosy]

If we're not going to have RFA, you can even extend the deadline to 1/1/12.  That gives teams a full 2 weeks since the first deadline to sign FAs is the following.

1/15/2012 - FA opens up for CI / DH

[Colby]

True... we don't have RFA anymore (just supplemental picks for losing Type A/B FA).  I thought we weren't even allowing to sign expired veteran contracts after the season.  That is a major ruling here.  We either implement that rule this year or next year.

[rcankosy]

You're right.  I was confusing myself.  The extension dollars go into effect the following season, but the intention to do it or not must be done prior to the end of the season.  Simple and clean.

[Dan Wood]

Again, I'm getting confused. Are we saying that as soon as the season ends, then all veterans are FAs if not signed by the last day of the season (world series). I continue to argue vehemently against that ruling since we cannot get true value on players until after their contracts are up. To keep signing someone to the same amount of money regradless of performance to hold on to them doesn't seem realistic at all. I am sure Pat Burrell wishes this were true, but it isn't. But we don't currently have a system in place to deal with this. If we find a solution to that then I am on board. Until that time, I am most definitely NAY.

[rcankosy]

Dan,

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by, "we cannot get true value on players until after their contracts are up."  Isn't their value their salary based on where they placed in the 2010 and 2011 Fantrax rankings?

[Dan Wood]

Most players currently signed are under 2009/2010 rankings. If we cannot sign our players during the year to 2010/2011 rankings and have it count as an extension that starts the following year in 2012, then we have to sign players at their current salary.

If I am to understand what is being proposed, we cannot resign veterans after the season ends. To sign them during the season they maintain their current salary throughout their next contract.

For example.

Adam Lind - signed at 2009 value - $16.5 mil (2011)
Adam Lind current value #27 CI, #27 OF
Highest salary as per his fantrax value from 2010/2011 - 10.5 mil (#27 OF)

Now if I wanted to re-sign him under the current rule being proposed which is no re-signs on veterans once the season is over, I have to re-sign him to a 16.5 mil contract since that is what he currently makes.

If he stays at his current spot in Fantrax his current monetary value is 10.5 mil, but I cannot sign him to that because of
"You may extend a player's contract in any year, but if it is during the contract, then the new contract must be no less and no shorter than the current remaining contract. "

Now if we do away with veteran re-signs after the season then I have two choices - re-sign him and overpay by 6 mil, or hope I can win him in free agency. Now if anyone noticed in this last off-season, many lesser players were commanding absurd salaries because many teams had a lot of disposable cash. So what is the answer to this problem?

[Colby]

Under these proposed rules, June 1st - July 31st provides 60 days for extensions on expiring contracts looking at only the current and previous season's rankings.

[Dan Wood]

Under these proposed rules, June 1st - July 31st provides 60 days for extensions on expiring contracts looking at only the current and previous season's rankings.

But what about the money? Using Lind as an example, what would he earn? 10.5 or 16.5... that is what I am hazy about.