Need help understanding pitching scoring

[Colby]

I would argue that dropping the IP threshold would have enough of an effect that we don't need to explicitly reward for IP (you'll need to optimize the IP you have), but we could hash that out.

We could factor in hits on a low-point basis, but I am more focused on the innings.

[BHows]

Part of the argument for 85 IP was that some GMs had 6, even seven starters and it wouldn't be fair to them.
With this in mind,I'm against arbitrarily lowering IP during this season.
I haven't had the time to read all the posts but I'm confident you guys will find a solution that will make the league better.
The only request I would have is that we don't implement any major changes this season. Give everyone an off-season to adjust

[Colby]

Part of the argument for 85 IP was that some GMs had 6, even seven starters and it wouldn't be fair to them.
With this in mind,I'm against arbitrarily lowering IP during this season.
I haven't had the time to read all the posts but I'm confident you guys will find a solution that will make the league better.
The only request I would have is that we don't implement any major changes this season. Give everyone an off-season to adjust

There was no talk of changing anything mid-season... just wanted to clear that up.

[Dan Wood]

I think the argument stems from the Niemann/ David Price differential. To the best of my knowledge Niemann is a fly ball pitcher. What if we just made fly balls 3 points or something, since GB are 6. Make home runs and walks more detrimental. That should even everything out.

I don't know if what I am about to suggest is feasible, but it might be worth it, just to start up a league on Fantrax and play around with the scoring settings until we achieve what the majority considers correct. Give it a dry run before we implement it. I think if we had hard numbers, it would be easier to make a case for scoring one way as opposed to another.

[bravesfan4]

GB are currently 3, change it to 4.  Maybe just give 2 points for recording a fly ball out. And get rid of ground ball base hits being 3 points as well.


i dont think any one member in the league has a bigger voice than any other. We almost all agree that a small simple change is needed. Hec, the Nieman and Price example is only one. But you could easily find many many more examples on a daily basis.

I agree with Roy that earned runs should be included.

[Canada8999]

i dont think any one member in the league has a bigger voice than any other. We almost all agree that a small simple change is needed. Hec, the Nieman and Price example is only one. But you could easily find many many more examples on a daily basis.

On a game-to-game basis you will find aberrations with any scoring system, thats why performance in baseball is all about sample size.  If we want to gauge any given scoring system, it should be looking at the scoring ranks over a longer time period (at least a month or two). 

Again, please take a look at the top 20 (either through April, or any of the past few seasons) and point out how many names don't belong - there are not many (if any) which means we heave a pretty good way of using stats to match the 'eye test'.

[Canada8999]

I agree with Roy that earned runs should be included.

Please review the links in the post Dan linked that dispute the value of ERA to accurately measure a pitcher's skill and provide links to counter articles that argue in favor of ER.  If the articles I've cited are wrong and there is info out there to disprove them, then we should certainly discuss that, but I have not read them.

[Colby]

Please review the links in the post Dan linked that dispute the value of ERA to accurately measure a pitcher's skill and provide links to counter articles that argue in favor of ER.  If the articles I've cited are wrong and there is info out there to disprove them, then we should certainly discuss that, but I have not read them.

No way should ER be included.

[lp815]

Lowering the innings limit may make teams pick and choose which starters to throw each week a bit more strategically, but I don't think that will necessarily solve the 'Niemann vs. Price' dilemma, since they will still be scoring the same.

Just an idea, but what if Baserunners Allowed was brought into the picture as a negative stat?  This is simply Hits + Walks + Hit Batters, but this might correct the Niemann vs. Price issue, as Price's score would have went down heavily due to this.

[lp815]

Keep in mind DICE (Defense Independent ERA) is a scoring option.  This projects a pitcher's ERA without the effects of defense or luck, which as been discussed often so far.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense-Independent_ERA