Possible Rule Amendment - In season re-signings

[h4cheng]

Now.

I need to update extension values today... It is pre June 1st and then after May 31st

so in effect the 5 yr extension is only 4 years??

[Dan Wood]

That's how it works out.

What I was proposing was a two week window to give your players contracts, not trade them away without a contract. The two weeks was for a GM to clear space to sign said expired contract. Meaning being able to trade players that are already under contract. I also suggested that once someone is resigned they should be treated as FAs - meaning they cannot be traded for 60 days. I know with my future FAs I won't sign them until the day after the season ends when other contracts and money paid out expires. I believe their should be some grace period. In MLB it is 24 hours. But since this isn't our job, I think we should have a wee bit more time to finagle things with our rosters if need be.

I also do no think we should allow resign and immediate trading - hence the need for the 60 day rule. This proposal was to do away with the current way things are done, with trading players on expired contracts.

When it comes to prospects, once the season is over, that is it. If the prospect has had their eligibility expire then you cannot resign him to the prospect discount. Unless of course that player still has more prospect year(s) then the GM must sign the player to the rate for the upcoming season.

[bravesfan4]

i agree with all that Dan. but i think there should be a 1 week window to trade guys. not 2. but the rest i agree with.

[Canada8999]

My one concern is that I'm sure that many owners have plans to extend their players on the prospect contract but won't have the cap room to do so until the 2012 books open up - under the currently written rules, that should not be a problem.  As Colby noted, we had lots of discussion but did not make any rule changes, is it really fair to enforce a new rule starting this offseason?  Typically, new rules are enforced at least one season out.

[Needle Juice]

That's how it works out.

What I was proposing was a two week window to give your players contracts, not trade them away without a contract. The two weeks was for a GM to clear space to sign said expired contract. Meaning being able to trade players that are already under contract. I also suggested that once someone is resigned they should be treated as FAs - meaning they cannot be traded for 60 days. I know with my future FAs I won't sign them until the day after the season ends when other contracts and money paid out expires. I believe their should be some grace period. In MLB it is 24 hours. But since this isn't our job, I think we should have a wee bit more time to finagle things with our rosters if need be.

I also do no think we should allow resign and immediate trading - hence the need for the 60 day rule. This proposal was to do away with the current way things are done, with trading players on expired contracts.

When it comes to prospects, once the season is over, that is it. If the prospect has had their eligibility expire then you cannot resign him to the prospect discount. Unless of course that player still has more prospect year(s) then the GM must sign the player to the rate for the upcoming season.

I agree with this.  As long as there is a period after the season, whether it is one week or two week, it needs to happen. 

[lp815]

I agree with this.  As long as there is a period after the season, whether it is one week or two week, it needs to happen. 

Yup, I agree also.

[rcankosy]

My one concern is that I'm sure that many owners have plans to extend their players on the prospect contract but won't have the cap room to do so until the 2012 books open up - under the currently written rules, that should not be a problem.  As Colby noted, we had lots of discussion but did not make any rule changes, is it really fair to enforce a new rule starting this offseason?  Typically, new rules are enforced at least one season out.

I agree with Ben.  If the subject is up for debate, I would be against a rule for this year or in the future whereby an owner had to extend a prospect prior to the end of his last season or lose the market discount when he is re-signed.  Prospects tend to sign for below market when they are arbitration eligible all the time, so the fact that their prospect contracts ran out has no meaning for me. 

[Dan Wood]

Granted, but you also have several years to do it, and not wait until the last possible minute.

[h4cheng]

I think an one year exception should be made for this year on the prospect extension. I planned to clear up salary space once the last game is played to re-sign Bruce. Having done the same to CarGo last year, I expected this was an option for this year as well.

[Colby]

I agree with everyone.  We can't make a rule change for this September/October.  What I wanted to do was bump this thread to put an end to these rule discussions and move forward with a conclusion.  Here is a thought... allow extensions as actual extensions of the old contract, but these can only be done in the expiring year (example being 2011 contracts this year).  The salary and new contract would start the following year.  This can easily be tracked by forcing us to manage salary caps for not just the current year, but the next five years.  It is something we have started with the new league, New Era.

I like the idea of a two week window after the season ends.  This allows GMs to extend players, but I think there should be a cost to prevent these players from going to FA just like there would be in real life.  A 20% increase above market value seems reasonable turning a $2m salary into $2.5m, $5m into $6m, and $10m into $12m.

There won't be an issue with sign-and-trades thanks to our 60-day rule.  We did accomplish something with rules this past year.  I would like to put this up to a vote with our RC (we still have it, just no board as I felt that hid the conversations).  On our RC is the following...

Jake :WAS:, Ben :MIL:, Colby :PIT:, Roy :TEX:, Dan :CIN:

We need a big market team to be present on the RC.  I would like to nominate Howe who may end up getting the Dodgers job.  Corey :NYM: and Paul S. :STL: seem to be reasonable additions as well.  I don't want the entire league voting on rules as it clouds everything, but I do want active, veteran voices of the league.