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Corey

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Re: Dodgers are Available
« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2013, 10:14:01 PM »
1. I will

2. You can still improve which you havent.

. Not irrelevant you brought up someone quitting so I brought your past behavior and behavioral warnings. Ive said many times its not personal. Simply stating why Rick and Jeff are more qualified.
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« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2013, 10:17:13 PM »
childish...protected with all his comments because of his position on the site...and he's not playing favorites...

Nothing about this is bad or childish. Simple advice for any fantasy player. You should always try to improve and not wait for a transfer
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joeshmoe

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« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2013, 10:23:32 PM »
1. I will

2. You can still improve which you havent.

. Not irrelevant you brought up someone quitting so I brought your past behavior and behavioral warnings. Ive said many times its not personal. Simply stating why Rick and Jeff are more qualified.

Saying I haven't improved is a blind eye.  The team that has increased it's top 100 prospect count?  Increasing payroll after it was destroyed by those before me.  And by fielding a full roster without trading away my farm through disasterous trade offers?  Pretty good by my standards.  Baez is going to be gold, Soler is still top 100, Meyers looks nasty, I salvaged Scheppers who is looking great this season, Swarzak and Parra is going off after I fielded horrid offers and decided to hold.  I think I'm doing okay for where the Padres were. 

Your Mets, loosing salary like water out of a leaky faucet.  It's been your incredible cap space which has hidden and allowed you to cut the bad signings.  I don't have it, and I couldn't field a team if I were to do it that way.  Instead it's a different game for a team like the Padres.  I don't see how the Padres haven't improved, I just don't. 

And anyone who thought the only way to build a team is through trading and spending on lavish free agent retreads...I like drafting talent well and signing good prospects; Maness the control freak for example? 

To say I haven't improved is to not know where and how to look.
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joeshmoe

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« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2013, 10:25:28 PM »
Nothing about this is bad or childish. Simple advice for any fantasy player. You should always try to improve and not wait for a transfer

You took my words, and twisted them to mean that I haven't been working to build a better club.  It's cleverly vailed but the message is clear.  I meant that I waited to change clubs because there have been many openings.  I wanted to wait for the right fit.  Not quite the same thing.
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Re: Dodgers are Available
« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2013, 10:27:40 PM »
In my opinion, the tradition of this league has been that the Commissioner has acted as the interpreter of rules in place rather than someone who has created new rules himself.  In this case, what we have to fall back on is an executive ruling by a former Commissioner that was not formally approved by the Rules Committee.  While important in terms of precedent, I do not believe that it constitutes a hard rule for determining the process by which new owners of vacant teams are selected.  Furthermore, I do not believe that future commissioners are bound by Colby's executive ruling.  Rather, the Rules Committee should formally ratify the executive ruling proposed by Colby or create a new process entirely.  In the meantime, I fully understand that a decision needs to be made here.

Therefore, I am placing the decision of who will become the future owner of the Dodgers squarely in the lap of the Rules Committee.  I will create a new post whereby the Rules Committee will vote on who will be the future owner of the Dodgers.
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joeshmoe

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« Reply #45 on: May 03, 2013, 10:37:34 PM »
In my opinion, the tradition of this league has been that the Commissioner has acted as the interpreter of rules in place rather than someone who has created new rules himself.  In this case, what we have to fall back on is an executive ruling by a former Commissioner that was not formally approved by the Rules Committee.  While important in terms of precedent, I do not believe that it constitutes a hard rule for determining the process by which new owners of vacant teams are selected.  Furthermore, I do not believe that future commissioners are bound by Colby's executive ruling.  Rather, the Rules Committee should formally ratify the executive ruling proposed by Colby or create a new process entirely.  In the meantime, I fully understand that a decision needs to be made here.

Therefore, I am placing the decision of who will become the future owner of the Dodgers squarely in the lap of the Rules Committee.  I will create a new post whereby the Rules Committee will vote on who will be the future owner of the Dodgers.

So instead of using a proceedure that was established and everyone could read and use and know, we're going to use a popularity contest to decide this? 

What are the specific measures that the Rules Committee will judge the two of us by?  I expect this to be an open conversation but the decision is already made.  Nobody likes the tact of the guys who says rules and precedence are important.  And, everyone feels bad for Rick's 'wrong', but nobody's mentioned how I got screwed outta NYY.  Nobody will speak of how I was 'wronged' and deserve a right.  The talk will be about how Rick was wronged and he deserves this, over the guy who stuck with the league and showed dedication. 

Instead of using a ruling already established by Colby, which is the same guy who established all the rules when the league was founded and nobody says these were invalid, we're going to pave a new path?  Well what happens when I get wronged for the second time?  What is my recuperation for such damages? 

What has Rick done to suggest that he deserves to be in this consideration other than people like him?  The answer is nothing.  Alas this is the same person I am in a popularity contest against? If we are doing this by votes and popularity will I ever get a transfer from SD?  How will that work?  The precedent of doing this by vote is horrible.
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« Reply #46 on: May 03, 2013, 10:47:32 PM »
Chris just leave it. By you complaining it is not gonna help matters at all. The RC will decide what to do. Your hurting yourself every time you reply about the situation. Lets be grown men about this. First of all it is just a fantasy team, not the end of the world. If you have something to prove, then keep your Padres and see them out. Don't you wanna see what you built go far? If I were you that is the route I would take.

But that is my 2 pennies.
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Dan Wood

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Dodgers are Available
« Reply #47 on: May 03, 2013, 10:52:33 PM »
Here is my question, and this pertains to anyone who has run multiple teams because I don't understand it... Why would anyone want to leave your team?

I know from my own experience that I have wasted more than enough hours assembling my team. I've sat through drafts, read prospect reports, spent hours with other GMs discussing trades, etc. My Reds are my team, for better or worse ( currently worse). Why would you want to leave all of that behind to take someone else's sloppy seconds?

The Dodgers were never Howe's team, they were MJ's, he built that team. Other's have taken over rebuilds - Jake, Corey, etc. - and have put their stamp on the team.

I just don't get it. The draw of this league is to build a franchise, your own franchise. Full of your touts, scrubs, stars, Gordon Beckham's etc.
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joeshmoe

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« Reply #48 on: May 03, 2013, 10:53:27 PM »
Chris just leave it. By you complaining it is not gonna help matters at all. The RC will decide what to do. Your hurting yourself every time you reply about the situation. Lets be grown men about this. First of all it is just a fantasy team, not the end of the world. If you have something to prove, then keep your Padres and see them out. Don't you wanna see what you built go far? If I were you that is the route I would take.

But that is my 2 pennies.

Complaining is different than making an argument.  There are so many reasons why I should be awarded LAD vs Rick it's difficult not to post them.  Furthermore I do like the Padres, but does anyone want the Padres over the Dodgers?  Anyone?  No.  So although it's a nice compensation it's not really anything to be excited about, seeing how the written rules clearly state the job should have gone to me or someone with longer tenure on a team.  I am not asking for that much.  And all the talk of that Rick should get it to fix a wrong forgets the other side of the coin, that this will wrong me twice.  But nobody comments on any of this.

And as far as me possibly getting the job...it's not going to happen.  That is why they went to a vote, so they wouldn't have to observe the rules and could end around appoint Rick.  Otherwise, you follow the rules as stated and fix it for the next time.  I lost when Rick put his name in...although it wasn't his turn to be nominated.   Until the rules were changed midstream of course.

So please, save the Chris you're complaining stuff.  I am merely explaining the realities. 
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Re: Dodgers are Available
« Reply #49 on: May 03, 2013, 10:56:20 PM »
I like the idea of the RC making decisions on filling any opening.  The RC is designed to have a GM from every division to eliminate competitive bias.

At the end of the day, I am merely providing an opinion and it essentially gave more bias to BHows since he was screwed the last time the Dodgers were open, so this is his second application for the team, and then bias given to joeshmoe due to tenure.  I think I have been fair in my opinion, but once again it is not my decision.  I feel Roy is making excellent decisions thus far in handling the interpretation and intention of rulings.

Debates like this make me love this league for how well we have built it.  The RC is the best solution.
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