Author Topic: Scoring adjustment  (Read 2523 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

joeshmoe

  • Guest
Scoring adjustment
« on: November 04, 2010, 02:45:10 PM »
I wonder if scoring is too low?  Thoughts?
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions

teddy369

  • Guest
Re: Scoring adjustment
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2010, 10:47:37 PM »
I don't think its to low.. you can't really have too low scoring (I like how its more or less centered around 0). I just think the point system is kind of weird (penalties and +/- are too heavily weighted).
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions

Offline Drew

  • Forum Administrator
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Nov 2010
  • Posts: 18307
  • Bonus inPoints: 80
  • Forum Administrator
    • :TEN:
    • :BOS-NBA:
    • :EDM:
    • :Clemson:
    • :TOR:
    • View Profile
Re: Scoring adjustment
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2010, 11:51:55 PM »
Sorry but not on rules committee. Here is my say though, goalies wins and shutouts are worth to much, if a goalie gets 50 wins in a season that is worth 250pts and then they are bound to have shutouts in there are as well. Where are a 100 pts goal scorers with say 50 goals would only earn 150pts and I would say they should be about par. My advice would be for goalie wins to be 2pts and a shutout worth 5pts then move goals allowed to -1pt, saves are good as they are. As for skaters +/- should be either .5 or .25 and it shouldn't be judged on the same level as an assist. Penalties moved to -.25 and keep fight as they are, or possibly make fights 2pts in total.

Summary:

Skaters:
Plus/Minus: .50/.25
Assists: 1
Goals: 2
Face-offs won: .25
Penalties in Minutes: -.25
Hits per game: .25
Fights: 3.5/3.25

Goalies:
Goals Allowed: -1
Shutouts: 5
Saves: .25
Wins: 2

I believe this would better distribute out the points from skater to goalies from evenly. Just my input
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
Drew's Bio & Trophy Case



You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. - "Wayne Gretzky"

Offline Drew

  • Forum Administrator
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Nov 2010
  • Posts: 18307
  • Bonus inPoints: 80
  • Forum Administrator
    • :TEN:
    • :BOS-NBA:
    • :EDM:
    • :Clemson:
    • :TOR:
    • View Profile
Re: Scoring adjustment
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2010, 12:13:42 AM »
Also shots would be a good stat to add into the skaters column at .25/shot
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
Drew's Bio & Trophy Case



You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. - "Wayne Gretzky"

joeshmoe

  • Guest
Re: Scoring adjustment
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2010, 01:15:30 PM »
I don't think its to low.. you can't really have too low scoring (I like how its more or less centered around 0). I just think the point system is kind of weird (penalties and +/- are too heavily weighted).

Penalties hurt teams; I'd say 65% of goals come on the Power Play in the NHL.  Which is why penalties are a negative (most leagues use them as positives), however, fighting has been added as a premium, which I felt was more accurate.

(+/-) Are a good indicator of player value, it's really a hustle stat.  Maybe 1 point is a little much though?  Should we scale it back?
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions

joeshmoe

  • Guest
Re: Scoring adjustment
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2010, 01:19:29 PM »
Sorry but not on rules committee. Here is my say though, goalies wins and shutouts are worth to much, if a goalie gets 50 wins in a season that is worth 250pts and then they are bound to have shutouts in there are as well. Where are a 100 pts goal scorers with say 50 goals would only earn 150pts and I would say they should be about par. My advice would be for goalie wins to be 2pts and a shutout worth 5pts then move goals allowed to -1pt, saves are good as they are. As for skaters +/- should be either .5 or .25 and it shouldn't be judged on the same level as an assist. Penalties moved to -.25 and keep fight as they are, or possibly make fights 2pts in total.

Summary:

Skaters:
Plus/Minus: .50/.25
Assists: 1
Goals: 2
Face-offs won: .25
Penalties in Minutes: -.25
Hits per game: .25
Fights: 3.5/3.25

Goalies:
Goals Allowed: -1
Shutouts: 5
Saves: .25
Wins: 2

I believe this would better distribute out the points from skater to goalies from evenly. Just my input

I like everything you said, and adding shots at .25.  I vote yes to these changes.  VOTES??

funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions

Offline Drew

  • Forum Administrator
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Nov 2010
  • Posts: 18307
  • Bonus inPoints: 80
  • Forum Administrator
    • :TEN:
    • :BOS-NBA:
    • :EDM:
    • :Clemson:
    • :TOR:
    • View Profile
Re: Scoring adjustment
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2010, 01:40:46 PM »
obvisously yes for me
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
Drew's Bio & Trophy Case



You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. - "Wayne Gretzky"

teddy369

  • Guest
Re: Scoring adjustment
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2010, 02:24:21 PM »
I vote no to faceoffs won as a category. This hurts in a big way when you have wingers who Fantrax thinks are a C (especially with essentially no useful free agents) and you pretty much win every week if you have a multi-position guy who takes faceoffs. Faceoffs slant the points too much. The rest is fine. I also really like the way goalie stats are currently weighted, but I woldn't be overly opposed to changing them. The fact is, a goalie should be able to steal a win any week (see Halak in the playoffs versus the capitals) regardless of how good the forwards play, I'm just not sure if we let goalies steal weeks to easily right now.

Here's why I think penalties are a little too heavily weighted:

The median team gets 2.75 g/game which transaltes to .045g/min (assuming an average game has 61 minutes) = .09 g/2min.
The median team has a PP% of 16.7% = .167 goals/2 min. That means that taking a penalty is worth about .077 goals against in those 2 minutes (.167 - .09). Currently we have .25 for 1 PIM which is .5 fantasy points for a 2 minute penalty. We give 2 points for a goal, so a penalty is currently worth 1/4 of a goal or .25 of a goal.. while contributing only .077 of a goal. A penalty is worth .5 of an assist while contributing only .077 of an assist.. (or at worst if you want to say a goal has 2 assists (.154 of an assist). Either way I think its a touch too much (sorry for the excessive math)
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions

joeshmoe

  • Guest
Re: Scoring adjustment
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2010, 03:26:45 PM »
I vote no to faceoffs won as a category. This hurts in a big way when you have wingers who Fantrax thinks are a C (especially with essentially no useful free agents) and you pretty much win every week if you have a multi-position guy who takes faceoffs. Faceoffs slant the points too much. The rest is fine. I also really like the way goalie stats are currently weighted, but I woldn't be overly opposed to changing them. The fact is, a goalie should be able to steal a win any week (see Halak in the playoffs versus the capitals) regardless of how good the forwards play, I'm just not sure if we let goalies steal weeks to easily right now.

Here's why I think penalties are a little too heavily weighted:

The median team gets 2.75 g/game which transaltes to .045g/min (assuming an average game has 61 minutes) = .09 g/2min.
The median team has a PP% of 16.7% = .167 goals/2 min. That means that taking a penalty is worth about .077 goals against in those 2 minutes (.167 - .09). Currently we have .25 for 1 PIM which is .5 fantasy points for a 2 minute penalty. We give 2 points for a goal, so a penalty is currently worth 1/4 of a goal or .25 of a goal.. while contributing only .077 of a goal. A penalty is worth .5 of an assist while contributing only .077 of an assist.. (or at worst if you want to say a goal has 2 assists (.154 of an assist). Either way I think its a touch too much (sorry for the excessive math)

Clearly we need more discussion about the goalie situation:   A goalie can play hot but if the forwards dont score it doesnt matter.  Also, goalies can steal a game, as you have pointed out teddy.  We need a good balance, both are equally important, as is defense and etc.  Goalies being dominant can hurt a deep league like this where starting Goalies are a premium.  Lets continue talking about this.

Faceoffs should be added if we leave goalies as is, to even out the point distribution.  I think it relies on our decisions about goalie stats.

Penalties are designed to be a negative statistics.  They take away from a teams total.  Which is most common, as PK goals are very uncommon, and PP goals are typical.  This is why fights are so heavily weighted at 3.5, because a 5 min penalty = -2.5, so a fight essentially is equal to an assist.  Pretty applicable to the NHL I think, but I could be very wrong.  Ted, you get that penalties are negative points right?  Maybe I'm missing something you're saying.
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions

Offline Drew

  • Forum Administrator
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Nov 2010
  • Posts: 18307
  • Bonus inPoints: 80
  • Forum Administrator
    • :TEN:
    • :BOS-NBA:
    • :EDM:
    • :Clemson:
    • :TOR:
    • View Profile
Re: Scoring adjustment
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2010, 03:40:21 PM »
I still like the way I proposed the new scoring system as it levels out the playing field to about par for all players. Penalties have to be a negative .25 just because it hurts your team to have penalities. I feel goalies are weighed to heavily on in this current format we have as a goalie currently on any given night can out score all skaters combined
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
Drew's Bio & Trophy Case



You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. - "Wayne Gretzky"

 


* FNHL Chat

Sorry, this shoutbox does not exist.

Forum Search


Quick Profile

 
 
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

* Chat Room

Refresh History
  • jmntl82: indiansnation-replied
    June 14, 2024, 11:48:26 PM
  • ldsjayhawk: thanks @daddy.  I hold my own
    Yesterday at 12:05:43 AM
  • Braves155: Will be around today for deal talks - ANY sport
    Yesterday at 10:12:32 AM
  • Daddy: You tellem @Braves!
    Yesterday at 11:47:14 AM
  • IndianaBuc: Braves PM
    Yesterday at 03:04:47 PM
  • Braves155: Back
    Yesterday at 03:10:34 PM
  • IndianaBuc: Back
    Yesterday at 03:19:17 PM
  • Daddy: Better be glad Buc dont know hockey. He'd be IndianaPuc on yall asses.
    Yesterday at 03:54:00 PM
  • Braves155: Speaking of NHL. Anyone up for an NHL LIVE deal?
    Yesterday at 04:05:16 PM
  • Braves155: PM Blues
    Yesterday at 04:07:53 PM
  • Brent: I am.  I read up on stuff today, I think I have a direction for my Predators.
    Yesterday at 04:23:17 PM
  • Jwalkerjr88: Im here for NFL Live. I get the trade itch every day but ive been suppressing it. Waiting for someone to make me submit to the madness again
    Yesterday at 04:48:32 PM
  • Braves155: Pm there buddy
    Yesterday at 04:53:17 PM
  • Braves155: PM as well dbreer
    Yesterday at 04:58:57 PM
  • dbreer23: replied Braves
    Yesterday at 05:10:11 PM
  • BayAreaBallers: PM Braves
    Yesterday at 05:31:50 PM
  • indiansnation: Hey guys whats up
    Yesterday at 05:31:53 PM
  • BayAreaBallers: NHL LIVE FOLKS sharks have zadina otb any interest message me ask is prospects and picks
    Yesterday at 05:32:27 PM
  • indiansnation: Lets talk trade
    Yesterday at 05:32:30 PM
  • indiansnation: Indians mlb live looking to trade
    Yesterday at 05:37:05 PM
  • indiansnation: Nfl live colts looking for starting rb
    Yesterday at 05:37:24 PM
  • indiansnation: Braves155 pm
    Yesterday at 05:38:39 PM
  • indiansnation: ldsjayhawks pm
    Yesterday at 05:38:48 PM
  • Daddy: Oh Crap. Trade winds blowing like P Diddy sponsored them.
    Yesterday at 05:45:23 PM
  • Daddy: Flyers, Rams, Blue Jays, 76ers have responded to all inquiries. Not that my inbox gets flooded with offers. My teams all stink.
    Yesterday at 05:47:35 PM
  • Daddy: T Wolves loaded but its too early yet. Cant wait for NBA.
    Yesterday at 05:49:02 PM
  • indiansnation: Braves155 pm
    Yesterday at 07:25:36 PM
  • indiansnation: Daddy pm
    Yesterday at 07:28:41 PM
  • Daddy: Back Brian
    Yesterday at 07:39:44 PM
  • indiansnation: Back daddy
    Yesterday at 07:47:43 PM
  • Daddy: I want to trade in NBA LIVE too. Its just the baby stages and we dont even know the summer player movement yet. Rosters will look different by the time of the draft.
    Yesterday at 07:54:55 PM
  • Daddy: Its exciting. Only CCD remains active in basketball. Ive seen LOR fail here but get picked up elsewhere and i guess its ok.
    Yesterday at 07:56:11 PM
  • Daddy: They all pretty much use the same format. NBA LIVE we feel weve revolutionized todays Dynasty basketball standards.
    Yesterday at 07:57:00 PM
  • Daddy: Cant wait to trade but weve got 11 owners to find and an entire summer of movement to track.
    Yesterday at 07:58:52 PM
  • indiansnation: Braves155 pm offer sent
    Yesterday at 07:58:55 PM
  • Daddy: Lots of traffic onsite. Weve been near 1000 visitors all day. Im told they find out chat entertaining. Thats funny. If you are visiting and see this chat.
    Yesterday at 08:02:20 PM
  • Daddy: Welcome to ProFsl. We do Fantasy "Dynasty" Sports here & we do it better than anyone else.
    Yesterday at 08:03:08 PM
  • Daddy: Better than your site. Better than your Leagues. Better than anyone else ever cared to do it. Legends of dynasty sports have and continue to play here
    Yesterday at 08:04:12 PM
  • indiansnation: Braves155 post it
    Yesterday at 08:11:03 PM
  • Daddy: If you like fantasy sports but all you do is read the chat. You got no clue what you are missing out on.
    Yesterday at 08:13:21 PM
  • Daddy: We are why you bothered to try fantasy sports. We give you everything you need here to live out your dynastic fantasy dreams. Against real world wide competition.
    Yesterday at 08:14:32 PM
  • Braves155: Nice dealing Brian, posted
    Yesterday at 08:22:53 PM
  • indiansnation: Still looking to make trades in mlb live if anyone is up for it
    Yesterday at 11:45:44 PM
  • Daddy: Im looking for an SP. We all value pitching in LIVE.
    Today at 12:01:51 AM
  • Daddy: Bradish! :soapbox: your elbow may cost me everything.
    Today at 12:02:55 AM
  • indiansnation: Man thats gotta suck
    Today at 12:41:47 AM
  • indiansnation: i think i mentioned that to u daddy u lack debth in sp
    Today at 12:42:27 AM
  • indiansnation: Looking to trade in mlb live
    Today at 12:45:05 AM
  • Daddy: Shut up Brian
    Today at 01:32:49 AM
  • STLBlues91: Ill be around for a few hours for any trade talk
    Today at 02:15:20 AM