Mets & Angels GMs canned

[Mr.TradeKing]

I'd be fine with a swap, but I want to sit down and figure out the best trade. We are basically swapping teams here, but one team has over double the cap of the other. So, it may not be as easy as it seems to put together a team that is good for both teams and the league.

~MTK

[Dan Wood]

This is my proposed trade...

Mets get

Stewart
Hamilton
Rasmus
Snider
Lind
Thole
Burnett - contract is an anchor
Beckham
OF Nieuwenhuis, Kirk, $0.5m (P-n/a)
X-MI Roberts, Brian, Cash Exchange on Contract through 2013, $3.5m in 2011
X-RP Broxton, Jonathan, Cash Exchange on Contract through 2012, $6.5m in 2011
1-15 CIN
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5-15 CIN
6-15 CIN
7-15 CIN
8-15 CIN
9-15 CIN
10-15 CIN


Reds get
SP Archer, Chris, $0.5m (2012)
C Bethancourt, Christian, $0.5m (P-n/a)
C Harper, Bryce, $0.5m (P-n/a)
SP Harvey, Matt, $0.5m (P-n/a)
OF Hicks, Aaron, $0.5m (P-n/a)
OF Neal, Thomas, $0.5m (P-n/a)
MI Profar, Jurickson, $0.5m (P-n/a)
MI Sano, Miguel Jean, $0.5m (P-n/a)
CI Singleton, Jonathan, $0.5m (P-n/a)
OF Wells, Vernon, $18m (2014)
+ 14 mil a year
SP Ranaudo, Anthony, $0.5m (P-n/a)
 - any other prospects worth mentioning, not named Havens
1-6 NYM
2-6 NYM
3-6 NYM
4-6 NYM
5-6 NYM
6-6 NYM
7-6 NYM
8-6 NYM
9-6 NYM
10-6 NYM

In essence what is does is saddle the Mets with pricey contracts on aging players - Carpenter, Lackey, and AJ, plus the money owed to Wells, and the money the Reds owe out on previous trades... it builds the Reds minor league team up and gives them several young cheap foundation pieces in Belt and Harper, plus a cheap pitching staff that I have assembled. I know the concern is that I will be taking on a larger payroll, but I will have a lot of dead money on my roster as well, plus I will have no farm system to speak of. Plus the Mets payroll will be dropping annually because of the awefulness of their team the past two seasons.

Thoughts?

[h4cheng]

This is my proposed trade...

Mets get

Stewart
Hamilton
Rasmus
Snider
Lind
Thole
Burnett - contract is an anchor
Beckham
OF Nieuwenhuis, Kirk, $0.5m (P-n/a)
X-MI Roberts, Brian, Cash Exchange on Contract through 2013, $3.5m in 2011
X-RP Broxton, Jonathan, Cash Exchange on Contract through 2012, $6.5m in 2011
1-15 CIN
2-15 CIN
3-15 CIN
4-15 CIN
5-15 CIN
6-15 CIN
7-15 CIN
8-15 CIN
9-15 CIN
10-15 CIN


Reds get
SP Archer, Chris, $0.5m (2012)
C Bethancourt, Christian, $0.5m (P-n/a)
C Harper, Bryce, $0.5m (P-n/a)
SP Harvey, Matt, $0.5m (P-n/a)
OF Hicks, Aaron, $0.5m (P-n/a)
OF Neal, Thomas, $0.5m (P-n/a)
MI Profar, Jurickson, $0.5m (P-n/a)
MI Sano, Miguel Jean, $0.5m (P-n/a)
CI Singleton, Jonathan, $0.5m (P-n/a)
OF Wells, Vernon, $18m (2014)
+ 14 mil a year
SP Ranaudo, Anthony, $0.5m (P-n/a)
 - any other prospects worth mentioning, not named Havens
1-6 NYM
2-6 NYM
3-6 NYM
4-6 NYM
5-6 NYM
6-6 NYM
7-6 NYM
8-6 NYM
9-6 NYM
10-6 NYM

In essence what is does is saddle the Mets with pricey contracts on aging players - Carpenter, Lackey, and AJ, plus the money owed to Wells, and the money the Reds owe out on previous trades... it builds the Reds minor league team up and gives them several young cheap foundation pieces in Belt and Harper, plus a cheap pitching staff that I have assembled. I know the concern is that I will be taking on a larger payroll, but I will have a lot of dead money on my roster as well, plus I will have no farm system to speak of. Plus the Mets payroll will be dropping annually because of the awefulness of their team the past two seasons.

Thoughts?

how much cap space will you have as a result of this trade?

[Dan Wood]

No idea, I am shooting from the hip here while I am studying for a test in about 3 hours... I haven't run the numbers, but given the fact that most players being moved are .5 mil cept Hamilton and Lind, and taking on $$$, moving Wells, and eating 14 mil, should put the Mets at about 7 mil under the cap. Again that is all quick math.

[MillerTime]

This is my proposed trade...

Mets get

Stewart
Hamilton
Rasmus
Snider
Lind
Thole
Burnett - contract is an anchor
Beckham
OF Nieuwenhuis, Kirk, $0.5m (P-n/a)
X-MI Roberts, Brian, Cash Exchange on Contract through 2013, $3.5m in 2011
X-RP Broxton, Jonathan, Cash Exchange on Contract through 2012, $6.5m in 2011
1-15 CIN
2-15 CIN
3-15 CIN
4-15 CIN
5-15 CIN
6-15 CIN
7-15 CIN
8-15 CIN
9-15 CIN
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Reds get
SP Archer, Chris, $0.5m (2012)
C Bethancourt, Christian, $0.5m (P-n/a)
C Harper, Bryce, $0.5m (P-n/a)
SP Harvey, Matt, $0.5m (P-n/a)
OF Hicks, Aaron, $0.5m (P-n/a)
OF Neal, Thomas, $0.5m (P-n/a)
MI Profar, Jurickson, $0.5m (P-n/a)
MI Sano, Miguel Jean, $0.5m (P-n/a)
CI Singleton, Jonathan, $0.5m (P-n/a)
OF Wells, Vernon, $18m (2014)
+ 14 mil a year
SP Ranaudo, Anthony, $0.5m (P-n/a)
 - any other prospects worth mentioning, not named Havens
1-6 NYM
2-6 NYM
3-6 NYM
4-6 NYM
5-6 NYM
6-6 NYM
7-6 NYM
8-6 NYM
9-6 NYM
10-6 NYM

In essence what is does is saddle the Mets with pricey contracts on aging players - Carpenter, Lackey, and AJ, plus the money owed to Wells, and the money the Reds owe out on previous trades... it builds the Reds minor league team up and gives them several young cheap foundation pieces in Belt and Harper, plus a cheap pitching staff that I have assembled. I know the concern is that I will be taking on a larger payroll, but I will have a lot of dead money on my roster as well, plus I will have no farm system to speak of. Plus the Mets payroll will be dropping annually because of the awefulness of their team the past two seasons.

Thoughts?

I am just going to chime in since on TC.  I would not approve this deal.  1 major league player for 8 just doesn't work.  I understand there are a lot of moving parts, but a bunch of young major leagues players that have hit at that level or in AAA for a bunch of guys proven at AA or lower, just doesn't work. 

[h4cheng]

7M is quite a bit. You are going from a situation of having trouble retaining Lind and Rasmus to having extra cap space to be a major player in the FA.

I'd rather you just take the Mets name and inherit CIN"s players and cap structure. This league isn't 100% realistic anyway, the real life Mets would not have 40M burning in their pockets.

[Colby]

7M is quite a bit. You are going from a situation of having trouble retaining Lind and Rasmus to having extra cap space to be a major player in the FA.

I'd rather you just take the Mets name and inherit CIN"s players and cap structure. This league isn't 100% realistic anyway, the real life Mets would not have 40M burning in their pockets.

Actually the real life Metropolitans do have millions burning thanks to Bernie Madoff.

[Dan Wood]

I am just going to chime in since on TC.  I would not approve this deal.  1 major league player for 8 just doesn't work.  I understand there are a lot of moving parts, but a bunch of young major leagues players that have hit at that level or in AAA for a bunch of guys proven at AA or lower, just doesn't work.

Which was my point earlier. The Mets talent lies in the low minors. They do have many 5 star prospects but they are very far away. This was just a suggested trade, since I am not swapping teams without taking my players with me. As you all know I have worked hard to accumulate the talent that I have. Any move made would instantly make the Reds a rebuilding franchise with a deep farm system. That is the only way I can see this happening. You also have to consider what I am leaving behind in order to facilitate this move. That should also be considered in the trade. I am leaving behind Belt, Chone, Young, 3 cheap, young, usable pitchers, several decent minor league specs, in order to take on high priced old players, that aren't worth their salaries.

This situation isn't just about the trade of the players at hand. It is about what it does to the teams long term. And like I said earlier the only way for this to go through is if we all decide that the fate of the Reds is that of a rebuilding franchise. Just my two cents. As much as I want to take over the Mets, and make them a proud franchise in this league, I will not take the team as they are constructed, and chances are most people won't either.

[Dan Wood]

7M is quite a bit. You are going from a situation of having trouble retaining Lind and Rasmus to having extra cap space to be a major player in the FA.

I'd rather you just take the Mets name and inherit CIN"s players and cap structure. This league isn't 100% realistic anyway, the real life Mets would not have 40M burning in their pockets.

Howe I have a lot of money coming off the books next year in dropped players and players being paid for by the Reds. Plus Lind will never make that much again - I figure he lands somewhere around the 10 mil mark, freeing up another 6 mil. I plan ahead, which is why this move would have to work for me too. You can have all the money in the world, but if their isn't anyone to bid on who cares? Nishioki and Ianetta are prime examples of that.

[BHows]

A blockbuster deal that would change the face of two divisions. Who could even imagine that Dan would be involved?
Seriously Dan, I hope this works out for you. You've earned it and deserve it.