Modification to Scoring System for 2011 - Relief Pitching

[Colby]

How do we give more creedence to the work of relief pitchers for a points-based H2H league if we ignore team dependent stats such as wins and holds?  Do we need to cave in to this in order to justify their abilities?

[Canada8999]

Leverage index may be a compromise... it's a measure of the pitchers role, but less random than saves/holds.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/get-to-know-leverage-index/

[Colby]

Leverage index may be a compromise... it's a measure of the pitchers role, but less random than saves/holds.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/get-to-know-leverage-index/

How is that even calculated?

[mjmezzetti]

I think relief pitchers are properly valued as is.  Their individual value is far less than a starting pitcher due to the innings discrepancy between the two.  I do think the scoring system needs modification for 2011, but I don't think the issue is RP's.

[Colby]

I think relief pitchers are properly valued as is.  Their individual value is far less than a starting pitcher due to the innings discrepancy between the two.  I do think the scoring system needs modification for 2011, but I don't think the issue is RP's.

You think they are severely overpaid in real life?

[mjmezzetti]

Yes, I absolutely do.  That was the data tell us, I think most sabermetricians share that opinion.

[mjmezzetti]

To be clear, I'm not belittling the value of having a strong bullpen, but rather, the comparison of an individual relief pitcher in relation to a similarly effective starting pitcher.  For example, referencing fangraphs, Lincecum provided a WAR(wins above replacement) of 8.2 last season, Broxton was good for 2.9 WAR.  If FIP were equal the value discrepancy would've been greater.  Broxton had a FIP of 2.05 over a sample size of 76 innings while Lincecum had a 2.34 FIP over 225 innings.

[Colby]

To be clear, I'm not belittling the value of having a strong bullpen, but rather, the comparison of an individual relief pitcher in relation to a similarly effective starting pitcher.  For example, referencing fangraphs, Lincecum provided a WAR(wins above replacement) of 8.2 last season, Broxton was good for 2.9 WAR.  If FIP were equal the value discrepancy would've been greater.  Broxton had a FIP of 2.05 over a sample size of 76 innings while Lincecum had a 2.34 FIP over 225 innings.

The ratios are clear... you bring good points to the table M.J.  What I do want to do is separate SP and RP within the market values for contract extensions.  As we can see, some people are still bidding high on some relievers in free agency.

[clidwin]

colby what about the pitchers that are eitehr SP or RP. that would be a problem?

[Colby]

colby what about the pitchers that are eitehr SP or RP. that would be a problem?

For market value purposes, their salary is used in both positions just as it was for players who played both MI, CI, C, or OF.  These values will be updated in the summer.