Waiver rule might need some tweaking-RC needed

[Colby]

From MLB rules.

After MLB's July 31 trade deadline and through to the end of the season, however, a team must place a player on waivers if that player is to be eligible to be traded.

Waiver deals are tough to come by then...?  Opposite teams have to win the respected waivers and agree to trade those players.  I believe the intention of the RC wasn't to create a mess with waivers, but open up a restricted avenue for gutting contracts and making trades after the non-waiver trade deadline.

I think we have to go with our current rules and adjust if necessary for next year.

[rcankosy]

In real life, teams place almost everyone on their roster on waivers and cancel the waivers if someone they want to keep gets claimed.  We could submit waivers by team and create one large list like we did for the RFAs and make it due by midnight Wednesday.  I think we should force all non-prospects to be placed on waivers before they are eligible to be traded.  My assumption all along was that we were trying to emulate real life, so I never considered anything other than this. 

[Colby]

No offense Roy, but you are on the RC.  We have to go by the rules in the league with real-life as a guideline for rules.  At this point, we need to roll with what we currently have and make amendments for next year.

[rcankosy]

No offense Roy, but you are on the RC.  We have to go by the rules in the league with real-life as a guideline for rules.  At this point, we need to roll with what we currently have and make amendments for next year.

Fine.  So why did you ask me whether all MLB players involved in trades were placed on waivers then?  I was trying to help, because the rules don't seem to clarify that point.  I will now leave it in your capable hands.

[Colby]

Fine.  So why did you ask me whether all players involved in trades were placed on waivers then?  I was trying to help, because the rules don't seem to clarify that point.  I will now leave it in your capable hands.

I wasn't being condescending... don't let the text speak with attitude.  I still want to discuss this for next year.  As two members of the RC, we should abide by the rules that we established and seek ways to improve them.  I'd say there is a hole open for some big trades right now, but the teams at the bottom of the standings have a say in such situations.

[Dan Wood]

1. For starters anyone not on the 40 man roster can be traded after the 7/31 MLB deadline (would be EDR for us), I think we should expand it to anyone with no MLB experience (or little experience that their clock hasn't started yet) since our minor league system is lacking... Yay or Nay
 - therefore Howe, your trade would never happen because all guys would have to clear waivers in order for it to happen

2. Anyone claimed on waivers goes to the team that claimed them, whether or not players are exchanged...anyone remember Alex Rios?
Tough breaks, don't claim the guy, or work something out with the GM in advance.
Yay or Nay?

3. If a player is not claimed on waiver he is returned to his former team. I put CoJack on waiver hoping someone would want him enough to absorb some of his contract, not to lose him if no one claims him. My original argument was this. Where is the advantage to put him on waiver if he just gets dropped anyway. If I was a GM I would just wait and go to bidding because there is no way the contract would equal the current contract.
Yay or nay?


That is my piece of mind on the subject

[OUDAN]

 :iatp:

1. For starters anyone not on the 40 man roster can be traded after the 7/31 MLB deadline (would be EDR for us), I think we should expand it to anyone with no MLB experience (or little experience that their clock hasn't started yet) since our minor league system is lacking... Yay or Nay
 - therefore Howe, your trade would never happen because all guys would have to clear waivers in order for it to happen

2. Anyone claimed on waivers goes to the team that claimed them, whether or not players are exchanged...anyone remember Alex Rios?
Tough breaks, don't claim the guy, or work something out with the GM in advance.
Yay or Nay?

3. If a player is not claimed on waiver he is returned to his former team. I put CoJack on waiver hoping someone would want him enough to absorb some of his contract, not to lose him if no one claims him. My original argument was this. Where is the advantage to put him on waiver if he just gets dropped anyway. If I was a GM I would just wait and go to bidding because there is no way the contract would equal the current contract.
Yay or nay?


That is my piece of mind on the subject

[h4cheng]

1. For starters anyone not on the 40 man roster can be traded after the 7/31 MLB deadline (would be EDR for us), I think we should expand it to anyone with no MLB experience (or little experience that their clock hasn't started yet) since our minor league system is lacking... Yay or Nay
 - therefore Howe, your trade would never happen because all guys would have to clear waivers in order for it to happen

2. Anyone claimed on waivers goes to the team that claimed them, whether or not players are exchanged...anyone remember Alex Rios?
Tough breaks, don't claim the guy, or work something out with the GM in advance.
Yay or Nay?

3. If a player is not claimed on waiver he is returned to his former team. I put CoJack on waiver hoping someone would want him enough to absorb some of his contract, not to lose him if no one claims him. My original argument was this. Where is the advantage to put him on waiver if he just gets dropped anyway. If I was a GM I would just wait and go to bidding because there is no way the contract would equal the current contract.
Yay or nay?


That is my piece of mind on the subject

1. only EDR and those that have 0 major league experience can be traded without exposed to waiver. I dont want some dude thats P-2011 traded without going through waivers.
2. Yay
3. Don't care - you can pull him off the waiver before 72 hr is up anyway even if this rule doesn't exist

[Dan Wood]

In regards to #1, I only meant to add this to make it a little easier on all of us to make a waiver deal or deals after the 7/31 deadline. By not having his clock start, I meant he can still be considered a P-n/a (40 IP -pitcher or play in 50 games)... since we don't have a limitless minor league system, and our EDRs are somewhat shallow, it might make for a decent half way point.

[rcankosy]

1. For starters anyone not on the 40 man roster can be traded after the 7/31 MLB deadline (would be EDR for us), I think we should expand it to anyone with no MLB experience (or little experience that their clock hasn't started yet) since our minor league system is lacking... Yay or Nay
 - therefore Howe, your trade would never happen because all guys would have to clear waivers in order for it to happen

2. Anyone claimed on waivers goes to the team that claimed them, whether or not players are exchanged...anyone remember Alex Rios?
Tough breaks, don't claim the guy, or work something out with the GM in advance.
Yay or Nay?

3. If a player is not claimed on waiver he is returned to his former team. I put CoJack on waiver hoping someone would want him enough to absorb some of his contract, not to lose him if no one claims him. My original argument was this. Where is the advantage to put him on waiver if he just gets dropped anyway. If I was a GM I would just wait and go to bidding because there is no way the contract would equal the current contract.
Yay or nay?


That is my piece of mind on the subject

1.  Yay with the provision that any player that has passed rookie eligibility needs to clear waivers before being traded.
2.  Yay.
3.  Yay.