Pirates and Yankees have landmark deal

[Colby]

After well over a year, Turner rejoins the Pirates.  Helton and Swisher replace the current point production of Holliday and a bit of Verlander's margin over a cheap SP.  DeShields is a bonus.  This deal clears my future cap issues while retaining my existing goal of a championship.

:PIT: receive
OF DeShields, Delino, Jr., $0.5m (P-n/a)
CI Helton, Todd, $15.5m (2011) + $10m in 2011
OF Swisher, Nick, $5.5m (2012) + $3m in 2012
SP Turner, Jacob, $2m (2012) + $1.5m in 2011 and 2012

:NYY: receive
OF Holliday, Matt, $17m (2014) + $7m in 2011, $5m in 2012
OF Cameron, Mike, $4m (2012) + $3.5m in 2011
SP Verlander, Justin, $18m (2014) + $12m in 2011, $6m in 2012
CI-OF Jones, Garrett, $0.5m (P-2011)

[OUDAN]

yanks REALLY hate to give up turner who we feel will be as good as verlander one day but that is one day this makes my team dominant this year. so i trade the future for the present just like any good yankee fan would lol
colby great negotiations my only regret it u got tuner from me

[Colby]

Rob, the cash exchanges on Turner, Swisher, and 2012 for Verlander are all new.  You can probably combine the Helton cash exchanges into a single line as well.

[BHows]

Where's the TC?

[OUDAN]

i wish i knew man

[MillerTime]

Sorry been moving this weekend.

I think it is passable.  Given the financial situation the Pirates were in this gives competitive pieces in return, Helton and Swisher, while landind a top spec in Turner.

In another scenario the value of Holliday and Verlander could be argued as higher, but a rule change since Colby acquired this two makes him have to adapt.  He did fairly with in a bad leverage position.

Approved.

[nerwffej]

I agree is passable given everything as whole involved with contract numbers the restraints Pirates are in.  :iatp:

[papps]

I know the trade committee has come under fire lately for not approving trades.  I find myself wrestling with this deal.  This is an absolutely terrible deal for the Pirates in my opinion.  I totally understand the money and needing to get rid of the contracts.  There are plenty of really good players in this league with cheap contracts.  Turner will be lucky to be as nearly as good as Verlander in my opinion.  Holliday is a top 5 OF.  Helton is at the end of his career and Swisher is an ok OF.  I think LTD pulled an absolute STEAL here in this deal.  I think there needs to be more value going back to the Pirates.  Obviously Colby knows what he is doing and I've negotiated with LTD a lot but I cannot approve this deal.  I'm sorry, I know that this is an unpopular decision that may make people mad but there needs to be more talent going back for Verlander and Holliday.  Turner is a nice prospect but I think there needs to be more.  I'm just one vote, I see others have approved.  I'm not going to start a two day back and forth about how the TC is so terrible.  Its just my opinion.  I'm sorry guys.

[OUDAN]

no worries man u are allowed to have your opinion, if it was anyone other then colby i was trading with then i may question it lol

[OUDAN]

need more feedback from the TC guys