Official RC Vote on Clearing Extension Loopholes

[Colby]

This limits small market teams ability to leverage and compete.

True, it would hinder you and I for sure.  I am changing my vote to NO as a representative of small market teams.  I think the other rules will clear remaining issues.

[Colby]

I updated the language on #2.  It is unfair per our previous prospect extension rules (and current format) to allow prospect extensions.  The PE clock expires, but we should allow regular extensions for expired prospect contracts.  This should be the only type of extension we allow for an expiring contract post-season.

[rcankosy]

I updated the language on #2.  It is unfair per our previous prospect extension rules (and current format) to allow prospect extensions.  The PE clock expires, but we should allow regular extensions for expired prospect contracts.  This should be the only type of extension we allow for an expiring contract post-season.

How is it unfair?  I have already explained that their counter-parts in real life have no free agent rights.  The truth is that it is very different from a normal extension on non-prospects.  Just because we blew it on Hamilton doesn't mean that we should shit-can a good rule.  What are we really trying to accomplish here, because it smells of appeasement to me? 

[Colby]

I am not trying to appease Dan, but he has a point about the PE.  This is a good thing for us to discuss.  If normal offseasons, the books move and the PE changes then why should it be any different for the final offseason of a prospect contract?  I am just looking for consistency there.  Our rules will make PE kick in after the contract ends if it was done in the last season anyways, so there is no reason a GM should wait until after the season for the PE.  This just gives GMs one last chance to sign these guys, but at a higher price for players with MV higher than $6.5m ($4m minimum divided by 60% factor rounded to nearest $500k).

[joeshmoe]

How is it unfair?  I have already explained that their counter-parts in real life have no free agent rights.  The truth is that it is very different from a normal extension on non-prospects.  Just because we blew it on Hamilton doesn't mean that we should crap-can a good rule.  What are we really trying to accomplish here, because it smells of appeasement to me?

The rule we have in place is a good one already.  I made a move to swap Brandon Morrow for Jair Jurrjens specifically because there was no grandfather clause.  Prospect contracts emulate real life MLB.  I always thought it would be used to simulate arbitration raises without using the system in Jon's leagues. 

Am I correct here; Dan's issue is that contracts (p-2010) were not eligible for the prospect extension?

[Dan Wood]

No, my issue is that PE should not last beyond the players prospect eligibility. Meaning that (P-2011) ends on the last day of the 2011 season. Some were of the thought that it did end once the year does, others are of the thought that it should extend into the off-season, giving them time to sign these guys once their books are cleared of expiring contracts for that season.

[Dan Wood]

In regards to #3.

If a player is making 10m (2011), yet his value puts him in the 5 million dollar range. How would resigning him work? Would the 5 mil per kick in the following year? Because as it stands now when we resign someone in season he has to continually make the same amount of money. Meaning said player would continue to make 10 mil, should I want to resign him.

[Colby]

No, my issue is that PE should not last beyond the players prospect eligibility. Meaning that (P-2011) ends on the last day of the 2011 season. Some were of the thought that it did end once the year does, others are of the thought that it should extend into the off-season, giving them time to sign these guys once their books are cleared of expiring contracts for that season.

:iatp:

There is no reason why they can't sign them in season.  We are voting to keep rights like they would be going to arbitration but they have 100% of their MV and no PE after the spec contract expires.  We are also voting for actual extensions in last season of contract in which new salary starts the next year.

Also, Dan, your response to #3 is right.  The previous salary still remains a minimum.

[Dan Wood]

1. yes
2. agree with your viewpoint
3. keep it as is
4. if we allow the window after the end of season, I don't see a reason for this, unless I am misreading.

[Dan Wood]

Are we going to tackle sign and trades too? Again my stand is if anyone is re-signed they shouldn't be able to be traded for 60 days, as per standard FA rules.