POLL: Let's vote on how we want to adjust pitching scoring.

[Colby]

Chris, the scoring system is based on Bill James' ratios of 17% defense (which is position players), 46% offense, and 37% pitching.  Really, the ratio between the bat and the pitching arm is about 1.25.  It looks more than that due to the defensive adjustments.  A small market team that looks for defensive stars can find some silver lining.  Add some good pitchers and some okay bats and you have a team that can compete.  This style of play can be observed with several teams in the league.

Howe, I like the idea of incorporating some negative stats.  I am going to combine all of these discussions into one RC post focused on the scoring system...

[MOLI643]

Something needs to be done to fix this.  I don't know how a team can roll out 9 SP's in a week.  I think when we voted we didn't know how it would effect the league.  With this many teams its hard for some to compete with payrolls and not enough decent pitchers to go around.  I think 70 innings a week is more than enough.

Agree with Papp's comments.

[Colby]

:bump:

Howe, let's work with Ben's suggestion and really get this moving...

[h4cheng]

:bump:

Howe, let's work with Ben's suggestion and really get this moving...

I did...check out the league scoring system...

[Colby]

I checked the scoring and the pitching and batting stats are near equal.  I did a check on total points for position players and pitchers for all 16 NL teams and it appears to be a 50-50 split which isn't what we want.

Team, Position Players, Pitchers
:ARZ: 11444 / 8332
:ATL: 8477 / 11291
:CHC: 7014 / 4832
:CIN: 6276 / 6715
:COL: 12672 / 8456
:FL: 6967 / 9808
:HOU: 10473 / 8290
:LAD: 16499 / 14819
:MIL: 14021 / 12448
:NYM: 5777 / 4863
:PHI: 15370 / 12391
:PIT: 14678 / 15836
:SD: 7860 / 7123
:SF: 5720 / 8120
:STL: 14060 / 16236
:WAS: 3790 / 4144
TOTAL = 149654 / 145372 = 51%/49%

[MOLI643]

Good job Colby I agree this is the ideal situation. When are we going to have a decision on this topic. 

[VolsRaysBucs]

If only because I think I saw the horse twitch...

Dillon Gee's line (7/19/11)
VS
Chris Capuano's line (7/18/11)

[Colby]

Good job Colby I agree this is the ideal situation. When are we going to have a decision on this topic.

Jake is busy... waiting to hear from Ben.  Mike and Roy wants to see something on it.  Howe, I feel like the scoring system in your test league needs to be further adjusted to reflect the Bill James' ratios.  We can then compare lines of pitchers to see how hits affects their points.

[Brewers GM]

My take is I think we should only work from the following categories: IP, K, BB, HR, GB, and possibly XBH.  IP should only be included if we have a natural deterrent for SP steaming (such as weekly SP rosters, negative points for bad starts, a low IP limit, etc).  I think our weights should be reflective of those for FIP, with some tweaks if we add variables FIP or xFIP don't use.

I understand I may be in the minority, but this is where my vote will end up.

[Colby]

Could not agree more Ben... :iatp: