POLL: Let's vote on how we want to adjust pitching scoring.

[rcankosy]

No way to really invent a new QS as it is a conditional stat rather than a countable combination.  The following two lines...

7IP 12H 2BB 7K 8ER 2HR
7IP 3H   2BB 7K 2ER 2HR


May be separated by the introduction of XBH.  There is certainly the potential for the one pitcher to allow 10 singles.  We could always negate points for singles, but at a much lower rate than XBH and HR.

If by "negate" you mean subtract, I am in full agreement.

[Colby]

If by "negate" you mean subtract, I am in full agreement.

Correct.

[Daniel]

How about earned runs? In the end it is the most important stat pitchers have. The goal of a pitcher is after all to allow the least possible amount of runs. It still troubles me that a triple with the bases empty will substract the same amount of points as a triple with the bases loaded. The inclusion of both singles and xbh will help with that, but it will also do a similar damage to the pitcher who loads the bases and then gets out of the jam without receiving a run.

[rcankosy]

I know we're all tired of arguing, but this issue has been hanging out there for a very long time with no resolution in sight.  May I suggest that we table it to the post-season if we don't want to deal with it now?  Most people's mind are probably on trades before the deadline, so this topic may be better suited for another time.  I do think it needs to be addressed at some point in the off-season, because the league over-overwhelmingly voted for change.

[Colby]

:bump:

Let's figure this out before the trade deadline.  Howe has the fake league setup, and we have a new RC member on board.  Ben is on vacation till Tuesday, so let's try and develop something to vote upon.  The poll results are fairly clear as to what is wanted.  We need to introduce hits and tailor existing stats without adding faulty stats such as ER to the mix.

[rcankosy]

Isn't this something that could be resolved in the off-season?  I don't see it getting solved by the trade deadline given the widely differing views on the topic.

[h4cheng]

I just noticed the fine print with this inning limit in Fantrax:

All hitters or pitchers, depending on the scoring category exceeded, will stop accumulating stats for the rest of the scoring period. If the max has not been met or exceeded at the beginning of a day, stats will accumulate throughout that entire day, even if the max is exceeded.

This means the 85 IP is actually a "soft cap". Surprisingly, Fantrax doesn't have the option of stopping the scoring as soon as the 85 IP is hit. Does this mean we have to start manually adjust team's scoring?

[joeshmoe]

I stayed out for as long as possible; but IP limits is for people complaining because they cant win.  It's a strategy, and since we can't really emulate the SP scenario of the MLB, why work so hard to hamper it?  If I would rather invest in rolling out starters, as opposed to stacking my lineup, why shouldn't I be able to do that?  This league is becoming ONE DIMENSIONAL...bats bats bats.  Haven't you noticed, there are even less bats to go around..than there are SP.  If you want to decrease parody in the league, tighten the leash on pitchers even more.  Scoring is already skewed to decrease the effectiveness of a pitcher on a week's outcome, I am strongly opposed to having a cap on IP or Starts...but the compromise has to be that you cannot widdle it down to nothing.

[OUDAN]

I stayed out for as long as possible; but IP limits is for people complaining because they cant win.  It's a strategy, and since we can't really emulate the SP scenario of the MLB, why work so hard to hamper it?  If I would rather invest in rolling out starters, as opposed to stacking my lineup, why shouldn't I be able to do that?  This league is becoming ONE DIMENSIONAL...bats bats bats.  Haven't you noticed, there are even less bats to go around..than there are SP.  If you want to decrease parody in the league, tighten the leash on pitchers even more.  Scoring is already skewed to decrease the effectiveness of a pitcher on a week's outcome, I am strongly opposed to having a cap on IP or Starts...but the compromise has to be that you cannot widdle it down to nothing.

 :iatp:

i also feel as though we should somehow make pitchers more valuable, i mean an ace should have a higher value then they do.

[h4cheng]

The inning limit arguement will probably go on for a while longer. Can we at least make sure the IP currnet in place is actually enforced? The league agreed on a 85 IP per week, 2 teams last week went over the limit and got credit with extra points.