Need help understanding pitching scoring

[Dan Wood]

Howe would you mind re-running your simulation to include today's games?

[Brewers GM]

I can't argue with your point. I think the RC should have been around all along and not broken up for several months. That could have been brought to the RC and then discussed an voted on as well as changing the scoring. In a league this size you need representatives. It would be different if it was a shallow league and everyone could argue their point in a chat room, but you see how long discussions go on here, with just 3 people participating. Imagine 30.

 :iatp:

[Brewers GM]

I did run a simluated league, results are here: http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=20377.msg102241#msg102241

Need more feedback on the proposed system. I am also open to modifying it to further punish bad performances (and thus discourage streaming bad pitchers)

The proposed change is to add IP and XBH as categories and then modify the weighting?

[h4cheng]

The proposed change is to add IP and XBH as categories and then modify the weighting?

Correct.

[h4cheng]

Here is the updated File. I have included both the current scoring system and v2.

I have also added V3 scoring system. This version penalizes bad pitchers a lot more while reward good pitcher. I think this system
could be used to deter bad pitcher streaming:

IP: 6.5
BB: -4
K: 10.5
HR: -10
XBA: -24
GB: 2

With this system, the impact overall points scored for the top 250 pitchers is 0%. However, certain pitchers will see jumps in
points scored (E.g., Halladay from 1355 to 1635) while bad pitchers will see pretty big decreases (e.g., from 522 to 164).

I realize the impact is pretty big on some players, we can always play around with the weights to minimize dislocation (insurance
term for the distribution of impact)

[Daniel]

May I ask one thing? Is it possible to value HRs differently when they are solo shots from grand slams? I think one of the chinks in the scoring system has the same negative effect as a grand slam. Also, is the XBH worth minus 2.4 or minus 24 like you posted?

On a separate note, if IPs are going to be included they should be Outs minus K, like someone proposed early, to avoid counting twice the same out. Just chipping in my 2 cents.

[h4cheng]

May I ask one thing? Is it possible to value HRs differently when they are solo shots from grand slams? I think one of the chinks in the scoring system has the same negative effect as a grand slam. Also, is the XBH worth minus 2.4 or minus 24 like you posted?

On a separate note, if IPs are going to be included they should be Outs minus K, like someone proposed early, to avoid counting twice the same out. Just chipping in my 2 cents.

Not sure if the HR thingy that you mentioned can be tracked. And, no it's not a typo on the HR, it's -24.

[Dan Wood]

Shouldn't HR be more detrimental than XBH?

[h4cheng]

It is. If a pitcher gives up a HR, then it's an XBHA as well.

Double allowed = -24
HR allowed = -24 + -10 = -34

I just realized that walk penalty is pretty low. This is V4 of the proposal:

IP: 6.5
BB: - 8 (it was -4 preivously)
K: 11 (it was 10.5 previously)
HR -10
XBNA -20 (it was -24 previously)
GB 2

[rcankosy]

Can we produce a version of the stats that excludes GB and takes Outs into account, since that seems to be the direction we are moving with GB no longer available?  I think that mediocre to bad pitchers with high GB rates was the leading distortion to our stats.