Mets & Angels GMs canned

[Canada8999]

Great ideas people... I like them all.  Having a new GM state their plan in detail is key.  It is my fault that I hired incapacity GMs just to fill sptits.  Roy and Jake bring a good point about roster filling.  Realistically, we should be fielding rosters with a legitimate amount of position players and pitchers at the major league level.  Is horsing minor leaguers good for the future?  Probably, but it is unrealistic.  One thing I thought about doing when I set up this league was have a 25 man major league roster.  You could control it through eligibility in the official roster but it gets messy in Fantrax.  We have total rosters at 50 going to 55 by the draft this year and then 60.  This leaves room for 25 to 35 minor leaguers....

Keep in mind that over time, a larger and larger portion of rosterable prospects will be on people's EDR as we draft the good ones and the current non-EDR prospects graduate or fall out of baseball.  We won't have as large of a pool of free agent prospects, and roster space will ultimately be used on MLB reserve players (naturally resolving the issue at hand).

[Colby]

Perhaps the mandatory roster filling is not something we should do.  As I said, it creates a mess in the league.  It's all about filling the right spots.  Let's not be hasty with filling GM slots.  I know Dave Martin is a great replacement for a horrible Angels franchise.  I have a couple candidates for Mets GMs.  We can see what plan Jason (bigbenxl786) may have as well.

[Needle Juice]

I am against mandatory starting rosters, it can stunt a teams growth.  A teams future SP prospect that would start for the next 10 years would be traded for Matt Treanor, just an example. Then he loses his job and the team trades another future piece for Jason Kendall, all to meet a restricting requirement.  Each manager should be allowed to have their own vision.   

The league is fine, need better GM's.  The deposit idea was pretty good.

[BHows]

I'm dead against mandatory rosters. One GM cannot dictate to another how to run their team. I'll cite Rob's examples as reasons why.
Perhaps the new GM candidates need to put detailed forth a plan to make the Mets relevant again? The powers that be should be able to look at those plans and see if the person is qualified.

[Dan Wood]

I agree, a GM shouldn't be forced to fill up his roster, but I don't think it is too much to ask to have 8 MLB regulars. And by regulars I mean guys who project to have 400 ABs plus. Buying or trading for back ups or part time players isn't that expensive, and won't impede picking up fringe prospects(all the good ones are gone), who chances are will be dropped before the rosters are updated. That being said, when push comes to shove, if a team is out of it, they will just end up trading those guys for better prospects than what is available in free agency. And who knows sometimes you get lucky with the part timers and they end up being decent. Marcus Thames and Brett Gardner are prime examples of two players last year.

In honesty I think we can all agree that we just want someone to care for their franchise, show in a little pride in what they are putting together, and have some concept of who and why they are trading. You know the opposite of Tony Reagins. In other words, just be effing smart, and don't trade away David Wright for a pile of fossils.

[Colby]

Okay, I think the recruiting method for leagues at ProFSL is backwards.  The idea has been that leagues like FGM would have low turnover, and when they need to replace a GM, there would be plenty of internal candidates on ProFSL.  However, we have seen many of these guys flake out and join too many leagues here.  Weaker leagues get even worse.  Perhaps, we should treat it the other way around.  Have some competition with our own waiting list by posting about the open slots in our best leagues.  Consider it trickledown recruiting from the best leagues on the site.  I posted on the Cafe and Yahoo and received two emails over the past day...

If you havent filled the spot I am very interested. I am in a league with 30 players, and a 10 player minor league. I really want to play in this league, sounds fun, and I know how to rebuild a team from the minors, as all I do is look at baseball prospectus, baseball america, and fangraphs.
Hit me up if I could join.
Luke Williams

Luke just signed up as WamCo and PM'ed me per my request.  He has the experience and the minor league focus.  He appears to be a top candidate.

Hi. I saw your post on the fantsy baseball message board, and I am interested. I am regesterd on the website, but I have never been involed in a league on the website. I play fantasy sports on Yahoo. I like building teams from the ground up, as it gives you the total GM experience. The Mets are one of my favourite teams, and I love the deep roster idea. If this spot is still open, I would love to join. 

Alex is a Mets fan, but he does not have the experience.  I will try to see if we can get him involved somewhere else and put him on the waiting list.

We also have Jason (bigbenxl786), but he is in several leagues here (AGM included) and has a negative rating.  The Mets may not be for him.

[bravesfan4]

Okay, I think the recruiting method for leagues at ProFSL is backwards.  The idea has been that leagues like FGM would have low turnover, and when they need to replace a GM, there would be plenty of internal candidates on ProFSL.  However, we have seen many of these guys flake out and join too many leagues here.  Weaker leagues get even worse.  Perhaps, we should treat it the other way around.  Have some competition with our own waiting list by posting about the open slots in our best leagues.  Consider it trickledown recruiting from the best leagues on the site.  I posted on the Cafe and Yahoo and received two emails over the past day...

Luke just signed up as WamCo and PM'ed me per my request.  He has the experience and the minor league focus.  He appears to be a top candidate.

Sounds like a great fit to me. :koolaid:

[BHows]

As long as you're confident in him; he sounds like a great candidate. After all the Mets aren't exactly in complete shambles. There is a good farm and $47m in wiggle room.
I would suggest that any candidate put together their thoughts on how they would go about rebuilding the team. Just so we are sure that the candidate knows the rules and understands the concept of the league.
Just my thoughts

[bravesfan4]

Good idea Rick. I agree.

[Canada8999]

What if we create a minor leagues for prospective FGM owners?  The idea being prospective owners can take on a team in this league while they're on the waiting list.  If they're active, responsible and savvy owners, they'll be on the short-list next time there's an opening and we'll have a real track record to evaluate them by (we can even hold a league vote, if people want to).  If they're not committed or not experienced enough, that should become apparent over time (or maybe they'll leave) and they won't get a chance to ruin an FGM team before getting fired.

The league can be similar in structure, but maybe only 8-10 teams, and we'd setup rules with the understanding that turnover will be a lot more significant than FGM (maybe skip the draft, simplify free agency, etc.).  I'd think we'd need at least 4-6 active owners to give them some chance to work, so there's definitely a minimum to make it feasible (if we don't have a full waiting list, maybe current owners can volunteer backfill and get first hand experience on the prospective owners, perhaps on a rotating basis)

Thoughts?