Mets & Angels GMs canned

[Colby]

We could send more picks to the new Reds and/or give supplemental picks for the loss of MLB talent although I am not a fan of the latter.  The new Mets should have the same cap room as the current Reds.  The TC needs to vote on a deal with the special circumstance in mind.

[Needle Juice]

Howe I have a lot of money coming off the books next year in dropped players and players being paid for by the Reds. Plus Lind will never make that much again - I figure he lands somewhere around the 10 mil mark, freeing up another 6 mil. I plan ahead, which is why this move would have to work for me too. You can have all the money in the world, but if their isn't anyone to bid on who cares? Nishioki and Ianetta are prime examples of that.

Very good point on Nishioki and Ianetta. 

[h4cheng]

Howe I have a lot of money coming off the books next year in dropped players and players being paid for by the Reds. Plus Lind will never make that much again - I figure he lands somewhere around the 10 mil mark, freeing up another 6 mil. I plan ahead, which is why this move would have to work for me too. You can have all the money in the world, but if their isn't anyone to bid on who cares? Nishioki and Ianetta are prime examples of that.

I understand your point Dan.. I have no problem with you getting the Mets and keeping those players that you worked hard to get and retain. I do have a problem of you get extra $ to play with.

[Needle Juice]

We could send more picks to the new Reds and/or give supplemental picks for the loss of MLB talent although I am not a fan of the latter.  The new Mets should have the same cap room as the current Reds.  The TC needs to vote on a deal with the special circumstance in mind.

I will admit that I struggle with this concept and will sit back to see what everyone else thinks and if a proposal is made.  I really would like to see Dan get what he is looking for, he has certainly earned it.  But I also struggle with voting on a deal with special circumstances, I look at every deal with the same set of eyes and vote as I feel appropriate.  I understand that there are bigger factors in this idea - Cap implications, Team and League Health for the Future, Fair value, etc.   

This just seems like a lot of trouble for a Team Name.  It would spice things up in two divisions, so there is a positive.   

[Dan Wood]

Ok gents, I am heading to the library... good luck with this one. I am open to suggestions, but like I said before, this would have to work for me as well, since I am giving up (even though I would be taking my guys) a team that is very competitive, young, has valuable pieces in the minors, and has been set up with a plan in mind, despite the fact it may not look that way. I don't envy the position of the rest of the league, especially the TC, because you do have two franchises in your hands. But, I do think it would be easier to fill a team with a lot of good prospects, and several usable pieces, and a lot of cap, as opposed to a team where the entire roster is in AA, and they have to play the Phils and Braves on a regular basis. And they have to pay Vernon Wells and John Lackey a combined 28 mil. Just my thoughts.

[Dan Wood]

That being said we do have a lot of good minds in this league, and I am sure we can get something accomplished. If not, I really am not losing anything in the deal. I think others should start proposing scenarios that would work, or at least can be discussed.

[bravesfan4]

This is just my two cents after reading other people's opinions and forming my own...

Everyone has made good points. If I was Dan i wouldnt want to leave my guys behind either. I also totally agree with Howe that gaining cap should not be an option. And with Rob, that proposal was not good. So here is where I stand........

the reds need to leave behind more players on the reds club. I do not think its right to allow a team to keep most of its core players and flock to another team. Case in point not only are you keeping your core offense, now you are adding them to a team with Lackey and Carp, and those two pitchers are way better than anything the Reds have in terms of pitching. MLB talent outways prospect talent.  And yes this is a lot of work to try and do just to switch names. So the reds should take 2 or 3 guys with him. And then try and trade this minor league talent for players.

This would set a bad precedent for the league as a whole.  The question would arise, well if Rob is going to switch from the A's to the Yankees, why cant he keep his players, just becuz the yanks arent bad doesnt mean my hard work through trades shouldnt pay off. I just dont think its a good thing.

Even tho, I feel its a bad thing, if it happens I just dont think you should be able to just move your core players to the team.

pick 3 guys from the reds.....pick 6 top specs from the mets...... swap draft picks and were set. make the move.

[Colby]

I am going to draw up a proposal.  The move has to be fair and balanced.  I really should not have said that the TC should rule with special circumstance as they should rule on the trade as always.

[Needle Juice]

I am going to draw up a proposal.  The move has to be fair and balanced.  I really should not have said that the TC should rule with special circumstance as they should rule on the trade as always.

Colby, when you said "special circumstances", I think you really meant "Look at the big picture", not just the trade.  Consider all things like Cap implications, Team and League Health for the Future, Fair value, etc.  These things are not always factored in when voting on Anthony Slama for Diory Hernandez. 

It isn't a big deal, you are doing the right things by seeing if this can be worked out.

Corey made some very good points in his post.     

[Mr.TradeKing]

I think it would be best to do:

3 players
AJ Burnett
Draft Picks

for

The Met's top 6 prospects
Vernon Wells (contract covered for the duration of the contract)
Draft Picks

This leaves the Reds in a decent standing to at least compete and keep up their salary cap.

~MTK
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