VOTE - Weekly or Daily Lineups

[Dan Wood]

Sorry, I must have slept through the pitching thing.
Didn't we agree that it took 10 starts to qualify as a SP? That would eliminate a lot of SP/RP. If a team wants to carry 10 SP's they do so at their own risk. In a 30 team league you would be very hard pressed to find 10 good ones. All it will do is take away roster spots for position players and we all know this is a hitters league.

Rick the problem I think that we are all dealing with is streaming. If someone has 10 SPs, and in daily line ups, they can use them throughout the week. It is not often a pitcher registers negative points for a start , unless you are Scott Kazmir, where as you can shuffle through hitters and still get a bunch of 0-4s, and negative stats.

My vote is for daily, if and only if we fix the streaming problem. Anyone have any ideas on limiting streaming, and still having daily line ups?

[bravesfan4]

With all due respect Corey, I think you're reaching to try and push towards daily and contradict yourself a number of times in this thread:

The push for weekly lineups is to resolve the defensive and start limit issues that people were upset with last year, it is not meant to reduce an owners responsibility.

For starters, there is no lack of activity in this league during the season - it is one of the most active league's I've seen, and I don't think this change will detract from that (activity is due to trades and such here on the message boards, not necessarily fantrax activity).  Also, as you note below, the total prep time may still be similar.

It also adds strategy as you note below, as you need to look at an entire week's worth of match-ups when you decide on your lineup rather than just one day, and having additional depth will give you more options.

There are so many uncertainties in baseball that injuries and under-performances WILL happen, and depth WILL be required.  Teams with depth will still have an advantage.  Show me a team that has their 5 best starters stay healthy and productive all season and I'll show you an owner that should be in Vegas...

The league voted against a hard cap on starts - this is different, and teams with many two-start pitchers will still be able to rack up the starts.  Teams with depth at SP will have even more two-start pitchers to add to the lineup in place of a one-start guy.

So your would need to make a strategic decision at the start of the week whether or not to start him, and if your team had strong depth you might be able to get better total production out of someone else.

I disagree - depth will still be important as I mentioned above.  Also, I do not expect there are more than a few teams in this scenario, and if push came to shove the trade market is so liquid that they could adjust accordingly (although I think trading away all depth would be a mistake, maybe some will disagree).

This contradicts your point of reducing activity and strategy...

Your opinion is completely different than mine. I have been in many weekly lineup leagues and everytime the league activity goes down. Some of the leagues were cash leagues and it still didnt help. As far as depth goes why build depth? Why not spend as much money as possible to get the best starters you can and play them weekly......that is the way to win weekly lineup leagues. I have had a lot of contact per pm with members in the league who completely agree with me...however I do find it funny that you tried to disprove every single reason and tried to turn all the negatives into positives. Like many times before, we have completely different views, it happens.

Either way its a good thing the daily lineups will continue. Its whats best for the league.

[BHows]

Sorry, I must have slept through the pitching thing.
Didn't we agree that it took 10 starts to qualify as a SP? That would eliminate a lot of SP/RP. If a team wants to carry 10 SP's they do so at their own risk. In a 30 team league you would be very hard pressed to find 10 good ones. All it will do is take away roster spots for position players and we all know this is a hitters league.

He said with tongue planted firmly in cheek. I was referring to the 5 page argument earlier this fall when the cap on starts was shot down.
I voted for daily because of the many downfalls of having your lineup locked at the beginning of the week. I've been in leagues with weekly and just don't like them
We closed the SP/RP loophole by raising SP qualification to a minimum of 10. I agree with Dan, we need to go further in order to eliminate the streaming of SP. The way I see it we 3 choices:
1.) Limit SP roster spots to 5,6,,7...
2.) Cap numbers of starts per week. 8 was shot down, maybe bump it up to 10?
3.) Further enhance hitting stats in an effort to balance out exorbitant amount of SP

[Colby]

I would be against enhancing the hitting stats as the stats already favor hitting based on the Bill Jamesian ratios.

[lp815]

I would be against enhancing the hitting stats as the stats already favor hitting based on the Bill Jamesian ratios.

It's a shot in the dark, but does fantrax allowing setting hitters daily and pitchers weekly as two separate options?

[BHows]

I would be against enhancing the hitting stats as the stats already favor hitting based on the Bill Jamesian ratios.

I wholeheartedly agree Colby but it is an option.

[Colby]

It's a shot in the dark, but does fantrax allowing setting hitters daily and pitchers weekly as two separate options?

That would be an awesome option, but it is a shot in the dark that Fantrax does not support.

[Dan Wood]

What if we do weekly, and have moves to the line ups done by request? But honestly, I don't see what the problem with an innings cap is, since many leagues do have them. It is pretty standard in roto. Not so much in H2H, but hey we are already blazing new ground with this league, why not take it further.

[lp815]

What if we do weekly, and have moves to the line ups done by request? But honestly, I don't see what the problem with an innings cap is, since many leagues do have them. It is pretty standard in roto. Not so much in H2H, but hey we are already blazing new ground with this league, why not take it further.

I believe we have only voted on a starts limit.  A poll for a weekly innings limit might be a good idea, to see where everyone is at on it.

[Colby]

What if we do weekly, and have moves to the line ups done by request? But honestly, I don't see what the problem with an innings cap is, since many leagues do have them. It is pretty standard in roto. Not so much in H2H, but hey we are already blazing new ground with this league, why not take it further.

My original idea in the eligibility thread was to have weekly lineups and lineup changes per request.