Waivers

[Rob]

Why does making it almost impossible to dump bad contracts benefit the league.

Who would pick up Gomez for 3.7M or Huet or Leighton.

Remove the need for someone else to pick up dropped players, create a sliding scale on cap hit for amount of contract being dumped.

10M dump 4 M hit
8M dump 3 M hit
6M dump 2 M hit
<6M - 1.5M - 25% hit

No requirement for anyone to pick up anyone - waivers could have their own scale too.

I think it benefits the league by making it more realistic.  We wanted this to be as realistic as possible from the start.  It's not perfect, in the end it is fantasy and we have to do things a certain way to make it work for us.  But I think aiming for as much realism as possible is the best way to go.  As for who would pick up those contracts, it would be tough but that's the new element I'm excited about.  If you want someone to eat a bad contract for you you'll have to pay for it, in players, prospects, cash, etc.  Not with an agreement where the team bidding on the player takes on no risk at all. 

I've never liked the idea of free drops or scaling cap hit for released players.  I like the idea of playing with the cards you're dealt with.  Some of us have a better starting hand than others, but we all picked our teams.  Trust me, it ain't going to be fun having Chara on the books at $7m in 4-8 years from now.  Going forward I think this will be an easier pill to swallow as our inherited contracts will start to dwindle and more of the bad contracts out there will be our own faults.

As for Sam, I told myself I wasn't even going to respond to your nonsense, and this will be the last time I will.  You received 2 good prospects for nothing in your deal with Montreal, then you oppose a similar deal that was far more fair.  Now you oppose a proposal to fix the problem.  None of this makes any sense to me.  You also recently supported an idea proposed to increase the cap after the draft which would have a direct effect on the strategies we all used in our initial extensions and the draft.  Unlike this change which really has no effect on the strategies we all used to get to this point.  You've contradicted yourself on every level and unlike Whomp who offers a constructive criticism and potential alternative, you offer nothing other than your typical venom.  I don't appreciate your insulting PM.  I thought perhaps you changed your ways after you were nearly banned from the site for this same nonsense.  I guess I was wrong.  We've quickly built one of the best leagues on ProFSL and I won't have this kind of drama ruin that.  If you don't like it you can move on, we'll have no problem finding an owner for the Kings.  Grow up or get out. 

[shooter47]

Please review the proposed change to implement a waiver wire system.  Let me know if I missed anything.

Proposed changes:

Releasing Players
Any released player signed for less than $1m will not count against the cap and will NOT be put on waivers.  Any released player signed for $1m+ still has his contract count against the cap.  The released contract will count for 3 years at the most.  Any released contracts 4+ years long only count for 3 years.  Released players are sent to waivers and will remain on waivers until the end of the season in which they were released.  If the released player is not claimed on waivers he will become a free agent.  Once a released player is a free agent there is no way for the releasing team to get a reduction to the released contract.

Waivers
Waiver priority is determined by the prior years standings from worst to first.  In our first year this is determined by actual NHL standings and future years will be determined by our standings.  After a successful waiver claim the team making the claim moves to the bottom of the waiver priority list.  All waiver claims are made on the transaction board.  A waiver claim is considered successful once 48 hours have passed with no other claims from teams with higher priority.  The claiming team assumes 50% of the players' contract and the original team receives a 50% reduction to the released players contract.  ***Players claimed through waivers may not be released in the year they are claimed***

If we want to add waivers I have no objection to that.  However if we want to make it as realistic as possible then there would be no rolling list.  The list would always be in the order of worst team to the best team.  If a low team makes a successful claim they shouldn't go to the end of the line.  In the NHL the claiming team picks up the whole contract.  With our league I don't mind the 50% reduction because in the NHL if a player is not claimed the waiving team can place that player in the AHL and the salary doesn't count against the cap anymore.

[snugerud]

ok , so here is the only loop hole that i could come up with on the new waiver system.  What if two teams with similar players / contracts say i will drop my player , if you drop yours and each put a claim on the others players.  Then they both receive their 50% discount. 

Personally I have no problem with it but some could perceive that as a shady deal or as a loop hole. 

[shooter47]

ok , so here is the only loop hole that i could come up with on the new waiver system.  What if two teams with similar players / contracts say i will drop my player , if you drop yours and each put a claim on the others players.  Then they both receive their 50% discount. 

Personally I have no problem with it but some could perceive that as a shady deal or as a loop hole.

The releasing team still has to pay 50% of the contract while the claiming team pays 50% of the contract.  If they both claimed the other teams player they would have to cover 50% of the contract for the player they released and 50% of the player they claimed.  If both of the players have the same cap hit then they are essentially trading the players straight up and the cap hits to the teams would stay the same.

[Rob]

If we want to add waivers I have no objection to that.  However if we want to make it as realistic as possible then there would be no rolling list.  The list would always be in the order of worst team to the best team.  If a low team makes a successful claim they shouldn't go to the end of the line.  In the NHL the claiming team picks up the whole contract.  With our league I don't mind the 50% reduction because in the NHL if a player is not claimed the waiving team can place that player in the AHL and the salary doesn't count against the cap anymore.

So the current standings on the day the waiver claim is made determines priority?  We could do it that way, what do you guys prefer?

Corey had said that in the NHL the claiming team assumes 50% of the contract.  Which method is correct?  Assuming you're right this would make it harder for teams to shed bad contracts.  On this I prefer the 50% rule, though I'm fine with either method, whatever you all think is best. 

[Rob]

The releasing team still has to pay 50% of the contract while the claiming team pays 50% of the contract.  If they both claimed the other teams player they would have to cover 50% of the contract for the player they released and 50% of the player they claimed.  If both of the players have the same cap hit then they are essentially trading the players straight up and the cap hits to the teams would stay the same.

Right, they'd both end up in the same boat so I don't see it being an issue.

[snugerud]

yeah i shruted that one up.  whoops.  nevermind. 

So the current standings on the day the waiver claim is made determines priority?  We could do it that way, what do you guys prefer?

Corey had said that in the NHL the claiming team assumes 50% of the contract.  Which method is correct?  Assuming you're right this would make it harder for teams to shed bad contracts.  On this I prefer the 50% rule, though I'm fine with either method, whatever you all think is best. 

Corey is right and wrong.  If your asking how it works in the NHL,  When a player is waived initially should a team claim them they assume the entire contract.  Once a player clears waivers that can either be assigned to the AHL or be placed on re-entry waivers where a team can then put a claim and their contract is split 50/50. 

That is the way NHL works however for our purposes I think it should be the 50% unless your saying if one of our players clears the waivers they can be stashed in our minor league with no cap hit.   

[Rob]

yeah i shruted that one up.  whoops.  nevermind. 

 

[Rob]

Corey is right and wrong.  If your asking how it works in the NHL,  When a player is waived initially should a team claim them they assume the entire contract.  Once a player clears waivers that can either be assigned to the AHL or be place on re-entry waivers where a team can then put a claim and their contract is split 50/50. 

That is the way NHL works however for our purposes I think it should be the 50% unless your saying if one of our players clears the waivers they can be stashed in our minor league with no cap hit.   

Yea I'm leaning towards the 50%.  I don't want to force realism by making things overly complicated.

[shooter47]

So the current standings on the day the waiver claim is made determines priority?  We could do it that way, what do you guys prefer?

Corey had said that in the NHL the claiming team assumes 50% of the contract.  Which method is correct?  Assuming you're right this would make it harder for teams to shed bad contracts.  On this I prefer the 50% rule, though I'm fine with either method, whatever you all think is best.

The claiming teams percentage of the contract changes depending on the type of waiver in the NHL.  When a player is waiver to be placed in the minors and is claimed the claiming team is on the hook for the full contract.  However if the player is called up from the minors and goes through re-entry waivers the claiming team is only responsible for 50% of the contract while the waiving team is on the hook for 50%. 

Our waivers are more like the unconditional relase/ minor league assignment and therefore the claiming team would have to take on the whole salary.  However I wouldn't be opposed to having the claiming team be on hook for only 50% of the contract in this league. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waivers_(NHL)