Draft Lottery

[snugerud]

1) We use a draft lottery to determine draft position.  Bottom 1-5 teams get a bonus 10 ballots each, 6-10 get a bonus 5 , 11-15 get a bonus 2, 16-20 no additional ballots.   After that we go by standings 16th place team gets 16 ballots.  , 15th 15 ballots, and so on.

2) teams can not move up or down more than 5 places, so if you are last place team , the worst draft position you can get is 5th overall ,  and if you ended 1st in the league the best you can hope for is 15th spot.

2) penalties for intentional tanking, (aka not setting line ups)
First instance - warning
Second instance - warning
Third instance - warning
Forth and any instances after docked 1 ballot in the draft lottery, up to a max of 10 ballots docked.

This would take away incentives to intentionally tank and gives a proportionate penalty towards lines not being set.  By setting a max of 10, we protect against new gms getting the shaft in the draft due to poor management by a previous GM that has gone dormant or decides to leave.   

[Drew]

Backyard uses a lottery and you can check it out here.

http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=15463.0

[snugerud]

yeah we use lottery for my fantrax league as well.  We had to out of necessity for the tanking etc or a few bum gm's that weren't setting their lines.

We also use Random.org but instead of using the random number generator we listed the teams however many ballots they have and then randomize,,,, results of a test run below to show.


This would be the finalized draft order -

    Philly
    Colorado
    San Jose Sharks
    Montreal
    Boston
    Florida
    Toronto
    Edmonton
    NYR
    Detroit
    Pittsburgh
    Calgary
    Winnipeg
    Tampa
    LA
    Ottawa


List Randomizer

There were 186 items in your list. Here they are in random order:

    Philly
    Colorado
    San Jose Sharks
    Montreal
    Boston
    Colorado
    Boston
    Florida
    Colorado
    Colorado
    Florida
    Colorado
    Toronto
    Edmonton Oilers
    Philly
    Montreal
    Florida
    Colorado
    New York Rangers
    Boston
    Philly
    Boston
    Boston
    Colorado
    Toronto
    Montreal
    Montreal
    Toronto
    Toronto
    Detroit Red Wings
    Boston
    Montreal
    Montreal
    Pittsburgh Penguins
    Florida
    New York Rangers
    Colorado
    Calgary Flames
    Boston
    Toronto
    Montreal
    Colorado
    Montreal
    Winnipeg Jets
    Toronto
    Colorado
    Colorado
    Boston
    New York Rangers
    Montreal
    Boston
    Florida
    Calgary Flames
    Tampa Bay Lightning
    Boston
    Detroit Red Wings
    Colorado
    Florida
    Montreal
    Los Angeles Kings
    Boston
    Florida
    New York Rangers
    Montreal
    Toronto
    San Jose Sharks
    San Jose Sharks
    Philly
    Boston
    Tampa Bay Lightning
    Philly
    Detroit Red Wings
    Colorado
    Montreal
    Florida
    Toronto
    Colorado
    Edmonton Oilers
    Detroit Red Wings
    New York Rangers
    Los Angeles Kings
    Winnipeg Jets
    Detroit Red Wings
    Florida
    San Jose Sharks
    Montreal
    Florida
    Philly
    San Jose Sharks
    Toronto
    Florida
    Los Angeles Kings
    Calgary Flames
    Boston
    San Jose Sharks
    Boston
    Montreal
    Boston
    Calgary Flames
    Colorado
    Winnipeg Jets
    Montreal
    Toronto
    Calgary Flames
    Montreal
    Florida
    Los Angeles Kings
    Toronto
    Toronto
    Winnipeg Jets
    Detroit Red Wings
    Pittsburgh Penguins
    Boston
    Tampa Bay Lightning
    Florida
    Florida
    Montreal
    Calgary Flames
    Toronto
    Colorado
    Colorado
    Toronto
    Calgary Flames
    Boston
    Los Angeles Kings
    Boston
    Montreal
    Florida
    Montreal
    Ottawa Senators
    Colorado
    Calgary Flames
    Colorado
    San Jose Sharks
    Philly
    Detroit Red Wings
    Florida
    Pittsburgh Penguins
    San Jose Sharks
    Montreal
    Florida
    Toronto
    Montreal
    Winnipeg Jets
    San Jose Sharks
    Florida
    Colorado
    Colorado
    Boston
    Boston
    Toronto
    Florida
    Boston
    Boston
    Florida
    Philly
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    Montreal
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    Toronto
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    Boston
    Toronto
    Detroit Red Wings
    Toronto
    Florida
    Winnipeg Jets
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    Toronto
    Colorado
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    Philly
    Tampa Bay Lightning
    Calgary Flames
    Winnipeg Jets
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    Boston
    Los Angeles Kings
    Colorado
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    Toronto
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    Calgary Flames
    Philly

[Rob]

I'm not opposed to the idea.  I'll post more thoughts on it later.

I don't think we need the penalties.  Not starting players on your 30 man roster is straight up against the rules.  It's not a written rule I don't believe, but doing that is basically going inactive, and I have always replaced inactive teams.  Keeping active players in your minors legally to minimize your scoring is a legal form of tanking which has been utilized.  Not starting a guy like Ovechkin would be an active form of illegal tanking.  If a team was doing it, I'd replace them.  Might as well keep it black or white instead of adding more rules for tanking specifically.

[Rob]

Besides, adding a lottery would be a form of preventing tanking.  Adding the penalties would be doubling down on it. 

[snugerud]

yeah, that was mostly for the league I run.  Its basically a bunch of Sean Averys looking for ways to skirt the rules.  if its not in writing its fair game. 

Do you mean tanking in leaving Malkin on my IR for the rest of the season?  ha ha.
I do have a reason,, its not to tank, basically freeing cap to lump some buyouts before the end of the season. 

[Rob]

yeah, that was mostly for the league I run.  Its basically a bunch of Sean Averys looking for ways to skirt the rules.  if its not in writing its fair game. 

Do you mean tanking in leaving Malkin on my IR for the rest of the season?  ha ha.
I do have a reason,, its not to tank, basically freeing cap to lump some buyouts before the end of the season.

Malkin was added to IR legally.  You can leave him there for the rest of the season whether he plays or not.  I will force him back onto your roster in the offseason if he's healthy.  That's legal tanking to me.

A situation could also occur where you put Malkin on IR, then sign some FA's and when Malkin's healthy you don't have the cap to move him to your active roster.  I don't want to get involved in trying to sort that out which is part of the reason I don't force you to activate players from IR whether they are healthy or not. 

[Rob]

I do have a reason,, its not to tank, basically freeing cap to lump some buyouts before the end of the season.

That's definitely something that I would do if I was in your shoes.

[papps]

Is this the NBA now lol.  I think blatant tanking can be handled without a lottery.  For example, my team was sold off for young players for a rebuild.  I still am able to field a lineup.  Same thing with FLA last year.  I don't think I've seen a team tank on purpose.  If there is an issue a GM should be told about it and have it fixed.  I don't think a lottery is needed.

[Rob]

Is this the NBA now lol.  I think blatant tanking can be handled without a lottery.  For example, my team was sold off for young players for a rebuild.  I still am able to field a lineup.  Same thing with FLA last year.  I don't think I've seen a team tank on purpose.  If there is an issue a GM should be told about it and have it fixed.  I don't think a lottery is needed.

I'm not saying it will happen, but if we did add some sort of lottery it wouldn't happen this year. 

I'm on the fence.  I kinda agree with Chris here.