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Backyard NHL: Invalid Transactions / Re: Dallas and Senators
« on: May 15, 2012, 09:43:08 PM »
 :iatp:

Good job.

3622
Backyard NHL: Archives / Re: New Dallas GM
« on: May 13, 2012, 10:37:19 AM »
 :toth:

3623
Anymore discussion on this.

Not from me.

3624
Backyard NHL: Archives / Re: Rule Discussion - Free Agency Matching
« on: May 04, 2012, 05:17:27 PM »
I think this is a very minor revision using Forward Rankings as the example.

1   8.7                  7.9
2   8.5                  7.6
3   8.3                  7.3
4   8.1                  7.0
5   7.9                  6.8
6   7.7                  6.6
7   7.3                  6.4
8   6.9                  6.2         
9   6.5                  6.0
10   6.1                5.6
11   5.9                5.4
12   5.8                5.3
13   5.7                5.2
14   5.6                5.1
15   5.5                5.0
16   5.4                4.9
17   5.3                4.8
18   5.2                4.7
19   5.1                4.6
20   5.0                4.5
21-25 4.5             4.2
26-30 4.0             3.8
31-35 3.5             3.4
36-40 3.0             3.0
41-50 2.5             2.5
51-60 2.0             2.0
61-70 1.5             1.5
71-80 1.3             1.3
etc...

I think this speaks to the idea of proprietary interest and hometown discount without adding clauses for matching or compensation. It will also give slightly greater pause to some GM's considering releasing players to free agency but nothing radical.

Consider that the extension value for James Neal would be $7.6m instead of $8.5m.

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Backyard NHL: Archives / Re: Rule Discussion - Free Agency Matching
« on: May 04, 2012, 05:06:44 PM »
I would not be opposed to a change slightly in extensions but we need to come to values that are closer to our concept and doesn't mean that every team keeps their players every year.

Completely agree.

I love the open market and higher extensions as it forces teams to change on a yearly basis. It opens the game to swing power quicker. Again, anaheim and chicago should look like completely different teams by the start of this season as opposed to the dominate powerhouse they were.

I also completely agree, and I don't think a 10% reduction for the upper ranks would change this at all.

3626
Backyard NHL: Archives / Re: Rule Discussion - Free Agency Matching
« on: May 04, 2012, 04:09:04 PM »
But what about: "the idea of bringing extension values and free market values a little closer together. At the mid to upper ranks (the top 20?) I think extension values are at least 10% high and could be reduced to reflect the idea of hometown discount."

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Backyard NHL: Archives / Re: Rule Discussion - Free Agency Matching
« on: May 04, 2012, 04:05:39 PM »
Quoting myself here: "Giving a GM the ability to match an offer would create more downward pressure on FA contracts. (Why bid on a player if you know you can match?) Ultimately, if you want your player back you can bid on him like everyone else."

3628
Backyard NHL: Archives / Re: Trade Blocks 2012-13 (New Format)
« on: May 04, 2012, 02:55:54 PM »
up to date

3629
Backyard NHL: Archives / Re: Rule Discussion - Free Agency Matching
« on: May 04, 2012, 12:49:14 PM »
Two different ideas on the board here. I'm not lobbying for what I put forward but don't want it getting lost in the wrong debate. Namely Drew's chart for compensation, which I would agree is complex.

The idea that I was interested in was that the original team that owned the player has the right to match the contract that the player signs in free agency. Kind of echoing the right to match an offer sheet. The idea has some merit but it would skew the market. Giving a GM the ability to match an offer would create more downward pressure on FA contracts. (Why bid on a player if you know you can match?) Ultimately, if you want your player back you can bid on him like everyone else.

What is behind my thinking is the idea of bringing extension values and free market values a little closer together. At the mid to upper ranks (the top 20?) I think extension values are at least 10% high and could be reduced to reflect the idea of 'hometown discount'.

(Seriously, is anyone ever going to extend the number 1 ranked forward at 8.7m? If I had Crosby on my roster in the last year of his contract I would probably give more consideration to putting him on Waivers than I would to Extension.)

My disclaimer here is that I haven't seen a round of free-agency yet. I'm simply guessing based on the limited amount of cap space the majority of teams have and on the premium value placed on players with small contracts.

Is there any interest in discussing this idea (reducing extension values) in a new thread?

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This is why i love BY, we can have discussions without fighting :)

So is this trade better for me in everyones eyes if I give Foligno for the 3 guys (Stoner, Franson and Cuputi) thus leaving Kampfer out and staying with me...I eat 100K but I feel like its a nice return for Nicky, but Im open to hear more thoughts, Im learning :)

I'm learning too Gilly and my read is that it would be more fair if Bean was taking on some cap space.
 
What you could aim for:

Dallas Rec's
Cody Franson, $2.5m (2013-14)
Clayton Stoner, $0.3m (2012-13)
Luca Caputi, $0.5m (2013-14)

Anaheim Rec's
Nick Foligno, $2.5m (2013-14)
Contract Dump 1.8m

The valuation of Stoner and Caputi is next to nothing while consensus seems to be that Foligno is of greater value than Franson, and by a fair margin. One way to offset that inequity would be to have Bean take on more cap....not less. Of course that would require a complete re-working of the trade.

I bet it would pass if you did this:

Cody Franson, $2.5m (2013-14)
Sheldon Souray, $0.9m (2012-13)

Anaheim Rec's
Nick Foligno, $2.5m (2013-14)
Steve Kampfer, $0.9m (2012-13)

Or something like this:

Nick Foligno, $2.5m (2013-14)
Nathan Horton, $4.0m (2012-13)

P.A. Parenteau, $2.8m (2012-13)
Cody Franson, $2.5m (2013-14)
Clayton Stoner, $0.3m (2012-13)

But those are entirely different deals. The main thing is, if you are giving up the best player in the deal you should be getting something in return. Good contracts or cap relief and/or prospects and/or picks.

 :beer:



 



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