Scoring Categories

[mjmezzetti]

There are more from last year and there will likely be more in season.  Adam Dunn would likely be the most valuable player in our league, maybe double Pujols' value.  Daniel Murphy would likely be the second best player in the league.  Although it might only be a handful of players these players value will significantly alter the league scoring.

If you're comfortable with it, roll it out...  You don't need my approval.

[Colby]

There are more from last year and there will likely be more in season.  Adam Dunn would likely be the most valuable player in our league, maybe double Pujols' value.  Daniel Murphy would likely be the second best player in the league.  Although it might only be a handful of players these players value will significantly alter the league scoring.

Defensive scoring isn't that high to make them that good.  Let me check that spreadsheet of mine again and mess with players such as Dunn, Swisher, Murphy, and Pearce.

[mjmezzetti]

If you're comfortable with it, roll it out...  You don't need my approval.

Sorry, I think my question was missed, will the defensive points accrue based on player's actual position for the mlb team or by placement in the lineup on fantasy team?  If it's by mlb team lineup, there's a tiny issue and I approve.  If it's fantasy value then Dunn's value would be about 50% more than Pujols (correction)?

[Colby]

Sorry, I think my question was missed, will the defensive points accrue based on player's actual position for the mlb team or by placement in the lineup on fantasy team?  If it's by mlb team lineup, there's a tiny issue and I approve.  If it's fantasy value then Dunn's value is almost certainly double Pujols, maybe triple?

It is by fantasy lineup.  I tested Pujols out at OF instead of 1B and look what happens to his defensive points...

CI = 802
OF = 3296

That is four times as much and is more than he gets for batting.  MJ, I agree this needs to be adjusted somehow...

[mjmezzetti]

I believe it would be by fantasy lineup... I'll look into actual team, but I doubt Fantrax can handle that.  I tested Pujols out at OF instead of 1B and look what happens to his defensive points...

CI = 802
OF = 3296

That is four times as much and is more than gets for batting.  MJ, I agree this needs to be adjusted somehow...

I don't mean to be a pain in the ass and, unfortunately, I don't have a resolution to propose at the moment.  Sooner, rather than later, this would likely be the cause of some disdain.  I think D.Murphy would've been a top 10 player for last season and I think Morales/Dunn would've been the top two.

[mjmezzetti]

I don't mean to be a pain in the ass and, unfortunately, I don't have a resolution to propose at the moment.  Sooner, rather than later, this would likely be the cause of some disdain.  I think D.Murphy would've been a top 10 player for last season and I think Morales/Dunn would've been the top two.

If fantrax could use the actual team position on a game by game basis then there's no problem.  Otherwise, maybe flag a particular player that fits into this envelope?  You could continue playing Dunn at OF but he'd accrue defensive stats as a 1b (if that's where he's playing)?

[Colby]

If fantrax could use the actual team position on a game by game basis then there's no problem.  Otherwise, maybe flag a particular player that fits into this envelope?  You could continue playing Dunn at OF but he'd accrue defensive stats as a 1b (if that's where he's playing)?

I am open to your latter suggestion since we can't do much about the first.  It is too tough to administer a flag on a daily basis.  The problem is that outfielders pretty much only get putouts, and if you have Dunn playing like he did in 2008 then he is going to score a lot of points.  I guess we would have to flag CI/OF as only allowed to play in CI unless they are OF in real life.

[Colby]

We could always score OF like a 1B.  This severely reduces the defensive scoring for actual OF, which would be a few hundred points over the year.  However, it eliminates the inflated numbers that plugging a OF-eligible 1B in the outfield would cause.  BTW, Utility defense is going to be scored like CI.

[Canada8999]

Since I'm guessing our defensive stats are probably not accurate predictors of their MLB defensive value (I don't think an OF's Range Factor closely correlates with their UZR), I agree with Colby's potential solution - we might as well lump them in with CI and essentially say OF's will not have much impact defensively. 

I'm not sure there is a good system for valuing defense with the categories Fantrax currently has, and we should pick something that doesn't overly skew our rankings and go with it - if Fantrax ever makes better stats available we'll look into changing our system.

[Colby]

Sorry, we won't be able to obtain the old rankings.

Patrick
The Fantrax Team

I suggest we change over to the new scoring system as soon as possible for contract extensions.