New York and Chicago make a trade

[Jesse]

There is no word from Edmonton that Dubnyk is their starter. I also see vokoun getting 30 games a year as a backup so fleury is fresh for the playoffs. So I view the Edmonton situation as a 50-50 split so 41 games and I think pittsburgh is better then edmonton so more fantasy points for vokoun is my thinking or really close. I also view it as a top line center for a future top line center and a second line center.

[Drew]

trade
Patrice Bergeron, $5.0m (2013-14)
- 155.1 pts

Devan Dubnyk, $3.0m (2012-13)
- 222.5 pts (47 games played)

Spencer Machacek, $0.8m (2012-13)
- 1.38 pts/g average over 13 games
- assuming Machacek = 5th pick

Total excluding minors = 377.6 pts

to for
Tomas Vokoun, $3.7m (2012-13)
- points as starter 232.35 (48 games)
- points as a backup 145.2-193.6 (30-40 games), midpoint of 169.4

Jonathan Huberdeau, $2.5m (2013-14)
- would be a top 5 pick if we re-drafted our minor league rosters
- My predicted points for Huberdeau would follow a similar line as E. Kane as a rookie and based on 70 games due to previous injuries
12-13 - 80.5 pts
13-14 - 116.2 pts

Steve Ott, $3.0m (2013-14)
- 103.8 pts

Round 5
- can still equal a 1st round player but seem to be depth player or sub-average fantasy player picked in that position
- Machacek = the pick

Points excluding Huberdeau = 273.2
Points with Huberdeau prediction = 353.7 (Year 1) or 389.4 (Year 2)

Cap changing hands = 1.3m to CHI without minors = 0.4m to NYR with minors
- therefore cap shouldn't be a deciding factor in any decision

So here is my explanation of the trade as I see it.

Even with Huberdeau playing in the NHL this season, NYR will lose in this trade, points wise. It may take till 2013-14 for NYR to win the trade. By that time Vokoun will be a year older and may have a less significant role in PIT as well. Dubnyk started 47 games and we can only assume he will get that much or more in a full season. Bergeron has been consistent over the past couple seasons so can only assume he will get around that as well.

So here is my feeling. What Chicago is getting is pretty well guaranteed points and what New York gets is subjective but could be the same amount of point.

My wondering is why would New York take the risk to get the same amount of points?

I will not vote yet and allow others to observe this analysis and get an answer from Jesse on this.

[Jesse]

trade
Patrice Bergeron, $5.0m (2013-14)
- 155.1 pts

Devan Dubnyk, $3.0m (2012-13)
- 222.5 pts (47 games played)

Spencer Machacek, $0.8m (2012-13)
- 1.38 pts/g average over 13 games
- assuming Machacek = 5th pick

Total excluding minors = 377.6 pts

to for
Tomas Vokoun, $3.7m (2012-13)
- points as starter 232.35 (48 games)
- points as a backup 145.2-193.6 (30-40 games), midpoint of 169.4

Jonathan Huberdeau, $2.5m (2013-14)
- would be a top 5 pick if we re-drafted our minor league rosters
- My predicted points for Huberdeau would follow a similar line as E. Kane as a rookie and based on 70 games due to previous injuries
12-13 - 80.5 pts
13-14 - 116.2 pts

Steve Ott, $3.0m (2013-14)
- 103.8 pts

Round 5
- can still equal a 1st round player but seem to be depth player or sub-average fantasy player picked in that position
- Machacek = the pick

Points excluding Huberdeau = 273.2
Points with Huberdeau prediction = 353.7 (Year 1) or 389.4 (Year 2)

Cap changing hands = 1.3m to CHI without minors = 0.4m to NYR with minors
- therefore cap shouldn't be a deciding factor in any decision

So here is my explanation of the trade as I see it.

Even with Huberdeau playing in the NHL this season, NYR will lose in this trade, points wise. It may take till 2013-14 for NYR to win the trade. By that time Vokoun will be a year older and may have a less significant role in PIT as well. Dubnyk started 47 games and we can only assume he will get that much or more in a full season. Bergeron has been consistent over the past couple seasons so can only assume he will get around that as well.

So here is my feeling. What Chicago is getting is pretty well guaranteed points and what New York gets is subjective but could be the same amount of point.

My wondering is why would New York take the risk to get the same amount of points?

I will not vote yet and allow others to observe this analysis and get an answer from Jesse on this.

I think that Huberdau could be better then Kane but there is also more to this trade then what meets the eye but I will not say anything more then that because talks are still in progress and not final.

[SlackJack]

I'm super bullish on Huberdeau so I totally get why you'd do it Jesse but I think you need to explain the stuff that doesn't meet the eye.

[Jesse]

I'm super bullish on Huberdeau so I totally get why you'd do it Jesse but I think you need to explain the stuff that doesn't meet the eye.

There is a trade that may or may not happen involving 1 or more of the pieces I am receiving. I strongly believe that if I say more then that it is not fair to the other person and it may kill the deal all together. I know my hockey and I am not going to quit on my team. You guys vote how you see fit but know that I dont mind losing now for the long term gain.

[Anthony]

I will look this over in more depth tomorrow when I have a chance

[cho34]

I will have to think about this trade as well

[hockeyfreak47]

    the faith of this trade is around Jonathan Huberdeau and how good he will be ?

            so rigthnow Tony wins this trade but Jesse could get the best of it in a year or 2 

[Drew]

Approvals - hockeyfreak47, SlackJack
Vetos - favo_zomg

Needs 1 vote to pass
Still to vote:
2. Anthony
3. cho34
6. BeanTown
8. norrya66

I will weigh in if I need too

[BeanTown]

I took a lot of time on this one and after saying no I think it's actually fair, bergy is a fantasy stud and I think dubnyk will in fact be EDM starter but I think hubs will be a 1st line player and a star that could be a Tavares type I a few seasons. Vokoun will chip in and Ott is a bum but puts in decent points and will be high on the buf depth chart