DISCUSSION: Same owner Team A Drops Team B bidding (Jay Harrison)

[izaman3]

if you cant see me I am rubbing my hands together and licking my chops for people to start buying out their players!! I got money in the bank and would love for that to happen.

haha, I think that's why we never closed up that loophole last time. Because there is some risk involved and if you want to risk it, you can risk it.

[ripper]

Snug, nothing personal as you are within the rules. Good discussion.

[snugerud]

no worries, i dont take it personal.

[jackdaniels]

We've discussed this before. Its an annual tradition.

Keep in mind that the buy-out rules are purposely forgiving. The aim is to 1) prevent franchises from being burdened with crippling contracts and 2) to replenish the free-agency pool. If as a result GM's are able to wiggle out tough contracts I think it's all well and good.

 :iatp:

Its an open market after any buyout so everyone has a shot to sign the recently dropped player.

[Burkes Boys]

The rule was left there to allow new owners and maybe even overly aggressive current owners bail themselves out of a bad contract.

Given our cap # mirrors the NHL's it seems fair to allow owners to have that option of resetting a bad deal or getting rid of one and claiming the discount. Like JD and other have said anyone can bid on the Free agent once they hit the market so it's not anti-competitive by any means.

[PigsRule]

Let's have a discussion about buy-outs.

If you bid on a player, win him then buy him out......

You should not be able to use an exemption and essentially win back the player at a reduced salary.

I would like to see a time added (30 days) before you can even bid on a released player.

We need to correct the rule to make this a better league.

Good open discussion... we've held this chat annually since I've been around starting in 2011 off-season.
The administration would be a pain for what amounts to little gain for anyone really.

As other have stated, the playing being bought out goes into the Free agent pool and is available for any team to bid on in the open market. The fact the team buying out the player gets to claim the buyout discount once that player get signed to a new contract just helps give teams flexibility in our fantasy cap league.

It's also a good opportunity for new owners to purge bad contracts and/or clear cap space for a rebuild. No one likes getting stuck in a rebuild for a full yr or 3 with bad contracts signed by past owners or if the salary cap ceiling suddenly falls like it did in 2013-14.

Open for all owners/GMs to comment.

[SlackJack]

....the player being bought out goes into the Free agent pool and is available for any team to bid on in the open market.

The issue is that the Franchise that released the player gets to immediately set the starting bid to maximize the discount. They can then proceed to claim the discount on the player which they just released even if no one else bids at all. This actually encourages GM's to overbid in free-agency as they know they can effectively renegotiate contracts.

It would be clear and simple to rule that GM's may not bid on players they have bought-out. There are better ways to allow cap forgiveness and give flexibility to GM's. Improved ABO's for example.

If this is an annual discussion, perhaps something should be done to address it.

[snugerud]

Sean Avery here,,, I am with Slackjack. 

Current rule is a too easy of a cop out and encourages overbidding in FA with little to no consequences same for extensions. 
I think the ability to buyout a player and claim a discount on them when someone else signs them is more than enough of a gimmie. 

[Burkes Boys]

I don't think it encourages over bidding. What I believe the discount allows for is the ability of teams in this 30 team league to bid aggressively to build a contender quickly. This is fantasy hockey where guys can opt out after 1yr of taking a shot at the title. Then the next guy gets stuck with a franchise overloaded with bad contracts in some cases.

I see what Slack and Snug are saying but so fair the Free agent market in this league has been competitive without being crazy. We are 30 teams and the cost of good players will be high.

[SlackJack]

What I believe the discount allows for is the ability of teams in this 30 team league to bid aggressively to build a contender quickly.

The discount is fine and I am all for player turn-over and forgiveness on bad contracts.

The issue is allowing GM's to set the bid price on players they have just bought-out. Yes it is fantasy hockey but it doesn't have to be dumb.