In Season Free Agent Signings Being Traded

[lp815]

As a side note, another reason we have the prohibition in place is to emulate the MLB.  However, I am unfamiliar with the rules of the MLB.  Colby, you mentioned this earlier in the thread, can you elaborate on how we compare and contrast to the majors?

Maybe we can find something from that.

[Canada8999]

1. I believe it's to prevent collusion, in a sense.  To prevent teams from taking a player and immediately moving him to another team, that could possibly be aligned with the other team.  An example would be a team with a large amount of cap signing a player, but having an agreement with another team that cannot afford him to move the player prior to winning said player.  I know this could happen on May 31st/June 1st, in theory, but it's a bad practice and shouldn't be allowed all season.
2. Yes, I think they should.  We should remain consistent with the entire free agent system, to avoid confusion.  I recommend we either do away with restrictions entirely or apply them to all free agents signing up to June 1.
3. Presumably, yes.  It seems unpreventable without hurting the league in some way.
4. Same answer to question 3.
5. I believe we should discuss this after the fact of how we should go about this scenario.

My two cents.

I agree with pretty much everything - my only question would be if the purpose of the rule is to prevent collusion, why don't we need a rule in place to prevent this for FA's signed after June 1st?  Should we look into one?

[lp815]

I agree with pretty much everything - my only question would be if the purpose of the rule is to prevent collusion, why don't we need a rule in place to prevent this for FA's signed after June 1st?  Should we look into one?

Yeah, I guess we could look into getting rid of such an extensive prohibition period.  Possibly making it a requirement to retain a player for minimum of 30 days? 60?  Instead of making it a set date, make the prohibition period in relation to the date the player was signed.

[Canada8999]

Yeah, I guess we could look into getting rid of such an extensive prohibition period.  Possibly making it a requirement to retain a player for minimum of 30 days? 60?  Instead of making it a set date, make the prohibition period in relation to the date the player was signed.

If it weren't for the possible maintenance issue, this would be my thought (I'd say 60-day).

Colby - how much of an additional hassle would it be to track whether or not a player has been signed within 60-days (flagged during that period)?

[Colby]

If it weren't for the possible maintenance issue, this would be my thought (I'd say 60-day).

Colby - how much of an additional hassle would it be to track whether or not a player has been signed within 60-days (flagged during that period)?

Well, the best way to take care of that would be to add a note to the rosters regarding when the player was signed.  All Dan, myself (or Jake if he is called upon) would have to do is enter the date the player was signed which isn't that hard.  It would be formatted nicely in the roster posting (which is all automatic).

That type of rule may be a suitable compromise between our current rule, the issue of trading players right away after June, MLB's pre-June rule, and fantasy baseball in general.

[Canada8999]

FYI we are going to re-work the Brewers/Rockies trade, so this ruling can be discussed on it's own merit and strictly with future transactions in mind.

[lp815]

So I guess the first step would be on if we all agree that the current system should be changed?

I will vote yes on this.

[Canada8999]

So I guess the first step would be on if we all agree that the current system should be changed?

I will vote yes on this.

Agreed.  I do not think it is a major ruling, but to me the June 1st cutoff seems arbitrary and it does not make sense to only prevent recently signed players from being traded for only part of the year.

[Colby]

I like the 60-day rule... it is a simple compromise between MLB and our league that makes it work in fantasy baseball.  I want to add that any players picked up before this rule has been put in place will be grandfathered in by the old rules. 

Therefore, if we voted on this by today, then any player signed before today cannot be traded until June 1st.  Any player signed after today could not be traded until 60 days after the bid was won.  The players who are signed after today, but the bidding started before today (so the intention was that they could trade them) would fall under the old rule.

[lp815]

I like the 60-day rule... it is a simple compromise between MLB and our league that makes it work in fantasy baseball.  I want to add that any players picked up before this rule has been put in place will be grandfathered in by the old rules. 

Therefore, if we voted on this by today, then any player signed before today cannot be traded until June 1st.  Any player signed after today could not be traded until 60 days after the bid was won.  The players who are signed after today, but the bidding started before today (so the intention was that they could trade them) would fall under the old rule.

I'll agree with Colby's proposal.  All signed players from the day this rule goes into effect must be kept by the signing team for a minimum of 60 days.  The June 1st deadline will be removed, and the new ruling with be throughout the season.