Scoring for pitching

[Dan Wood]

Please post any propositions for the change in scoring here...I will give it a month...after that the RC will discuss and decide the future of the pitching scoring. I would like to get this done before free agency begins, since it could effect certain players.

[rcankosy]

Broken record time again.

I vote for Game Score.  Game Score is a metric devised by Bill James to determine the strength of a pitcher in any particular baseball game. To determine a starting pitcher's game score:

   1. Start with 50 points.
   2. Add 1 point for each out recorded, so 3 points for every complete inning pitched.
   3. Add 2 points for each inning completed after the 4th.
   4. Add 1 point for each strikeout.
   5. Subtract 2 points for each hit allowed.
   6. Subtract 4 points for each earned run allowed.
   7. Subtract 2 points for each unearned run allowed.
   8. Subtract 1 point for each walk.

[h4cheng]

Broken record time again.

I vote for Game Score.  Game Score is a metric devised by Bill James to determine the strength of a pitcher in any particular baseball game. To determine a starting pitcher's game score:

   1. Start with 50 points.
   2. Add 1 point for each out recorded, so 3 points for every complete inning pitched.
   3. Add 2 points for each inning completed after the 4th.
   4. Add 1 point for each strikeout.
   5. Subtract 2 points for each hit allowed.
   6. Subtract 4 points for each earned run allowed.
   7. Subtract 2 points for each unearned run allowed.
   8. Subtract 1 point for each walk.

what's the impact on pitcher scoring using this system?

[rcankosy]

See the link below.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/topperformers/_/type/pitching

[Corey]

A huge change should not be made. Only a tweak. Teams have built there staffs around a certain formula. Minor tweaks is what would be fair.

[h4cheng]

See the link below.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/topperformers/_/type/pitching

My concern is still the impact. Take Capuano's start, he gets 96 pts under the GSC system. In our current system, he is getting at least 9 * 13 = 121 pts, that's a pretty big difference.

If GSC is indeed a superior metric (can you prove this is the case?), I think the switch towards GSC should be gradual. We could have the pitcher's final score be a weighted average of the current system and the GSC system (e.g., 80% weight for the current, 20% for the GSC in the first year).

[Dan Wood]

Since Roy is the only one that proposed anything, it is time to vote...Roy's system or stay with what we have.

[Corey]

You want me to post what we are doing in Moneyball?

[Corey]

Home Runs Allowed (HR)
-15

Innings Pitched (IP)
5

Quality Starts (QS)
15

Pitched (K)
9

Walks Allowed (BB)
Default
-5

Saves + Holds (Sv+Hd)
10


This puts your studs at 3200.... 5 were over 3k, 19 over 2500....

Much better value here with pitchers. Seems to be well liked in Moneyball

[joeshmoe]

when are rules going to be consistent?  it is hard to build a team not knowing what this league will look like in the future.  please dont change picther scoring