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Re: Tiers Remodeled
« Reply #40 on: March 05, 2010, 05:53:13 PM »
Colby,

I think you meant the 3 year average of real life payroll for 2008 through 2010 + 20 million.  If you used Franchise GM payroll for 2008 and 2009 plus 20 million, the 3 year averages would actually increase the caps for 2011 because we just tacked on 20 million on top of the payrolls for 2 of the 3 years.

In reality, it would be the MLB payrolls + $20m mixed with the Franchise GM salary caps.
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Re: Tiers Remodeled
« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2010, 04:17:58 PM »
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Re: Tiers Remodeled
« Reply #42 on: March 09, 2010, 07:00:21 PM »
In 2011, the league will feature variable salary caps for all teams based on the three-year average (2008-2010) payroll (as of beginning of playing season) + $20m.  The 2009 and 2010 seasons will be numbers from Franchise GM that we have whereas 2008 will be the actual payroll number for the 2008 teams.

Use those cap numbers, movement between cap values would be based on the following formula.

Cap ranking (CAPR) - 1st for highest cap, 30th for lowest from above list
Standings (STAND) - 1st for WS champ, 9th for best team out of playoffs, 30th for worst team in MLB

CAPR(2010) = Max(0.8CAPR(2009),Min(1.2CAPR(2009),3*CAPR(2009) + STAND(2009))
* see there are 20% bound restrictions.

The new cap ranking is then hooked up with the new 3-year average + $20m.  This gives the weighting 25% to performance and 75% to current market status.

Instead calculating the salary cap one year further in advance:

CAP[n] = AVERAGE(CAP[n-4],CAP[n-3],CAP[n-2])**
** for seasons where an FGM cap cannot be calculated using the quoted CAPR formula, actual MLB salary is used.

That way we'll always know our cap situation for the current and following seasons.
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Re: Tiers Remodeled
« Reply #43 on: March 09, 2010, 10:34:18 PM »
Instead calculating the salary cap one year further in advance:

CAP[n] = AVERAGE(CAP[n-4],CAP[n-3],CAP[n-2])**
** for seasons where an FGM cap cannot be calculated using the quoted CAPR formula, actual MLB salary is used.

That way we'll always know our cap situation for the current and following seasons.

We would still need to take into account winning. 
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Re: Tiers Remodeled
« Reply #44 on: March 09, 2010, 11:25:42 PM »
Yes, sorry if my CAP wasn't clear - it is meant to be the value for CAPR calculated for that season.
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Re: Tiers Remodeled
« Reply #45 on: March 09, 2010, 11:34:39 PM »
At the end of each season, we combine how the team did (STAND) with their existing cap ranking (CAPR) to determine the value that season will have on their future cap numbers (did they gain or lose cap?).  Lets call that RETURN.

RETURN[2009] = Max(0.8CAPR(2009),Min(1.2CAPR(2009),3*CAPR(2009) + STAND(2009))

To calculate a team's salary cap in any season, we take the simple average of their past three seasons return, skipping the most recent (so we can always forecast one extra into the future):

CAP[2011] = RETURN[2007] + RETURN[2008] + RETURN[2009]

For the 2007 and 2008 seasons, where we do not have FGM standings, we can either use the actual MLB standings, or just a straight payroll number.
« Last Edit: March 09, 2010, 11:44:36 PM by Brewers GM »
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Re: Tiers Remodeled
« Reply #46 on: March 10, 2010, 09:36:32 AM »
At the end of each season, we combine how the team did (STAND) with their existing cap ranking (CAPR) to determine the value that season will have on their future cap numbers (did they gain or lose cap?).  Lets call that RETURN.

RETURN[2009] = Max(0.8CAPR(2009),Min(1.2CAPR(2009),3*CAPR(2009) + STAND(2009))

To calculate a team's salary cap in any season, we take the simple average of their past three seasons return, skipping the most recent (so we can always forecast one extra into the future):

CAP[2011] = RETURN[2007] + RETURN[2008] + RETURN[2009]

For the 2007 and 2008 seasons, where we do not have FGM standings, we can either use the actual MLB standings, or just a straight payroll number.

I like this idea... much easier for GMs to manage as well.  Let's vote RC...  I support Ben's modification to my idea.  :thumbsup:
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Re: Tiers Remodeled
« Reply #47 on: March 10, 2010, 09:50:38 AM »
I would like to see the 2011 team caps using this formula before casting my vote to determine the ramifications of this change.  Theories are nice, but I would like to see the end product.

Thanks guys.
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Re: Tiers Remodeled
« Reply #48 on: March 10, 2010, 10:20:42 AM »
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Re: Tiers Remodeled
« Reply #49 on: March 10, 2010, 10:23:14 AM »
FYI, I believe Ben meant that the Cap was the average of the Returns.  I'll make something up in Excel today and post it.
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