Need New Scoring System

[Colby]

ThePetis, PM me about your other league.  Folks, check out Franchise GM as another great example of defensive scoring.

[ThePetis]

As a new owner, I'm obviously a little behind in this conversation, but hopefully I can add some value.  One of the reasons I wanted to join this league was that there was some value placed on defensive stats.  As someone mentioned earlier, if defensive stats were removed, we are one step closer to just being any other league out there.

I am in another league that uses defensive stats, so I thought I'd share how they score it.  To be fair, it's not perfect, but it does help even out the positions a little better. 

Catchers:
0.4 Assists
-1 Catcher's Interference
-0.5 Passed Ball
-0.5 Stolen Base Allowed

Infielders:
0.67 Assists

Outfielders:
2.5 Outfield Assists
0.4 Putout

Side note:  To help weight the positions, catchers also received 0.05 points per AB while other batters are docked -0.5.  This kind of skews catchers a little higher than intended, though.

So, as you can see, infielders/catchers do not get any credit for putouts.  I realize that is a different league with a different scoring system, but just wanted to give you an idea of how others handle it.  Lando mentioned that each position can be scored separately, so it's an option worth looking into. 

[Jss0062]

Anyone else have any thoughts?  Also we need some adjustment to better include base running stats probably using extra bases taken. Thoughts?

[haseloff]

Great work!

[chrisetc21]

Miggy under current system 42.2 defensive points, 105.65 under proposed system
Machado current system 81.2, 195.3 under proposed system

That is pretty good.  Makes the defense really matter.  Thank you for work!

[yahoolando]

We....I like it

[Jss0062]

Cabrera and Machado at 3B, that should be a good contrast.

Miggy under current system 42.2 defensive points, 105.65 under proposed system
Machado current system 81.2, 195.3 under proposed system

[chrisetc21]

who do you want to see?

Cabrera and Machado at 3B, that should be a good contrast.

[Jss0062]

Smoking Gun, is it possible to take two players, one good defender and one bad defender, and see the defensive point differential?

who do you want to see?

[Jss0062]

Comparisons from the 2013 season

The top 5 in dWAR were
1) SS Anderalton Simmons 5.4 dWAR
2) CF Carlos Gomez 4.6 dWAR
3) 3B Manny Machado 4.4 dWAR
4) RF/CF Gerardo Parra 4.0 dWAR
5) 3B Nolan Arenado 3.6 dWAR

other examples
9) C Russell Martin 2.6 dWAR   best defensive catcher to the eye test
10) 2B Dustin Pedroia 2.3 dWAR top 2nd baseman
LF Alex Gordan 1.3 dWAR 5 time gold glove winner likely 6th this year
1B Anthony Rizzo 0.6 dWAR first base leader
8) C Welington Castillo 2.8 dWAR
SS J.J. Hardy 2.0 dWAR

Here are the numbers current then proposed in ().

Simmons     133.8 (218.9) tied for highest dWAR ever
Gomez          75.6 (194.8) 6th best dWAR ever
Machado       81.2 (195.3) tied for 8th best dWAR ever
Parra               67 (183.7) 17 assist vs 5 errors
Arenado          69 (162.3)
Martin         197.2 (176.2) corrects C putout problem
Pedroia       131.6 (163.2)
Gordan            67 (260.3)  17 assist vs 1 error
Rizzo          282.2 (127.6) corrects 1B putout problem
Castillo          153 (60.8) 10 errors,  dWAR is based off catching base stealers and limiting passed balls
Hardy          114.6 (189.7)