REDS/INDIANS TRADE

[ldsjayhawk]

Chris Archer & Alex Torres are both on the Indians 40 man, therefore they have to go on yours too.

[mrmetsman]

There is no rule that says that this is mandatory.
Check the latest constitution please.
Nothing about where traded players Must go.
So sorry but no they don't.

[kenny]

The intent of the league is to reflect MLB rules and CBA when possible and practical in a fantasy sports setting.  In MLB, players on 40 man rosters may not be removed from the 40 man roster via trade, without going through waivers. Otherwise, it would cause havoc for players; we'd end up having somebody who has 20 years of service time be sent to the minors in a trade.

As per the 1st page of the constitution:

"This is the league constitution, which should resolve any issues that may arise. Any issues unresolved by this constitution will be resolved by the Commissioner, who shall make his/her rulings based on Major League Baseball rules. This is a constantly evolving document that changes to meet the needs of the league."

Based on this section, the MLB rule prevails. The next revision of the constitution will explicitly state this rule.

[mrmetsman]

Fair enough.
I accept the League Commish's ruling in this matter.
However i want it to be noted that these kind of situations should have been made clear for all owners before we make a trade.
I'm clearly at a disadvantage when i make a trade where the rules change all of a sudden.
But as i said before I accept the ruling.

Also i like it to be noted that in the event such a situation occurs the owners in question will be notified of the situation.
I as new owner had no clue what was happening or what i did wrong.
There was no way of knowing for me that something was wrong when A.there was no such rule and B.nobody notifies me that something was wrong in the first place.The trade was just sitting there for days,without a peep.Not Cool.
The league office has dropped the ball there in my opinion.

The Reds additionally put on  irrevocable waivers the following players to make room for Chris Archer and Alex Torres on their 40 man roster.

Carlos Fisher and Daniel Herrera

[kenny]

I'm sorry if you feel that way, but I do not see this as a rule change. It's a standard MLB rule. ldsjayhawk's notification was also within the 48 hour review period.

If there are any other rules that you would like clarification on, please feel free to ask. I honestly did not forsee somebody interpreting the constitution to allow for players to be demoted via trade when there was nothing stating that could be done. With that being said, I'm sure there are other rules that I did not think need to be explicitly stated.

As always, I'm always open to suggestions. We don't have a league office or a board of commissioners in this league. It's a communal effort with 30 people that help keep this league running.

[kenny]

FYI, I've split the discussions about rule changes into a new topic on the main AFB forum.

[mrmetsman]

 :thumbsup:

[snbts]

Is this trade approved to go ahead and process in fantrax?  If so I will take care of it if needed.

[kenny]

Yes, it's approved. If you could, that would be great. Thanks.

[snbts]

The NL side has been taken care of. I am assuming Tony Wolters is still headed to a minor league team, I did not add him to the roster. 

This also makes the Reds roster illegal at this point unless a correction is made.