“Hmm...”

[WestCoastExpress]

Don’t mean to make waves but I do agree with what Flash said:

Hmmm...maybe there should be a reinterpretation of the rule to prohibit the inclusion of players who are subject to the 60 day moratorium and do away with trades which cannot be approved and processed within the standard 48 hours.

Doesn’t make sense to let a trade sit for 60+ days before it can be voted on. As he pointed out it messes with salary cap implications if FA starts up

Also apparently makes trades overall tough to make or be Approved

All started with a fun joke but got taken way too seriously and now it’s a topic for discussion

 :rofl:

[Yeagg]

I understand that this league is supposed to mimic the MLB as best it can, but the 60 day rule does not make sense for this league. The real MLB Draft is before the trade deadline so it prevents teams from trading players that they just picked at the deadline. It is also in place because teams/players aren't sure who will sign and who will go to college right when they are drafted.

I personally think the rule is obsolete and is only hurting the league

[ldsjayhawk]

This isn't a recall on the 60 day rule.  Although, I agree with that rule too.  What's the point in restricting the trading of draft picks, if you're just going to trade them right after the draft. 

I agree with Flash and West Coast.  It makes things too messy and it's basically an end around the rules.

[Anthony]

In a free league, we should always be looking at the simplest route for the owners' sake and more importantly Flash's sake. The 60-day rule is obsolete, it's not stopping any sort of trading it's just delaying it and complicating it, especially when it comes to the FYPD. I understand the argument for the rule with free agency as owner's make an effort to sign players, but with the draft, half the teams are on autodraft, or skipping it entirely.

I think we need an official proposal but I would love some input and discussion first. What's the point of a rule that just pisses everybody off.

[papps]

I think that if we talk about removing the 60 day rule then we should just open up trading draft picks.  However, this league has always stayed true to MLB where they don't trade draft picks.  There is also the concern of a team trading all their picks and then quitting and leaving a new owner with less of a chance to rebuild.  There are two ways to look at it. 

[Yeagg]

I'm actually okay with not being allowed to trade draft picks but not restricting when we can trade a drafted player. Trading draft picks can get messy when you are trading multiple years i.e. 2019 and 2020 draft picks in the same deal, because our team pages only keep up with the current draft.

We should also consider the fact that we lose draft picks if we sign top tier FA, so trading them away is another way to get around not losing that pick.

But once we've drafted a player he is in our organization and we should be allowed to do with them what we please.

[WestCoastExpress]

I'm actually okay with not being allowed to trade draft picks but not restricting when we can trade a drafted player. Trading draft picks can get messy when you are trading multiple years i.e. 2019 and 2020 draft picks in the same deal, because our team pages only keep up with the current draft.

We should also consider the fact that we lose draft picks if we sign top tier FA, so trading them away is another way to get around not losing that pick.

But once we've drafted a player he is in our organization and we should be allowed to do with them what we please.

 :iatp: :iatp:

[Flash]

I think that the compulsion to trade has become such an obsession some GMs are willing to do whatever it takes to get a deal done.  FGM, like MLB, doesn’t allow the trading of draft picks as a protection against recklessness, yet I think a greater problem is evolving.  I think the latest trades involving 2019 draftees is a total circumvention of the 60 Day moratorium rule.  Yes, draftees, like newly signed free agents, are part of our organization, but FGM, like MLB, has recognized that sometimes we need to protect GMs from themselves.

At some point, we have to have a little integrity and follow the rules.  We have teams in this league that have been devastated by GMs who only think in the short term and forget about the long term effects.  The list of teams who have had multiple GMs are endless.  We have witnessed the destruction of teams by GMs who want immediate results that are characteristic of redraft leagues.  We’ve had GMs who make ridiculous trades and trade away assets for paltry returns. Or misuse their salary cap and sign free agents to egregious contracts.  The list of gung-ho GMs who come into FGM like gangbusters and then go MIA and have to be removed is endless.  It’s an ongoing problem and the current disregard for protocol only exasperates this ongoing concern.  I may be the only one who feels it’s a situation which will lead to greater difficulties, but as a moderator, I would be remiss if I didn’t voice my growing sense of dispair.

All of us want to win, but there has to be some parameters within a league structure for it to survive.  During my tenure within FGM I have helped bring about positive changes for the good of the league.  I fixed the Trade Committee approval process, got rid of the Compensatory Draft Round, got rid of the EDR and fixed the use of the MiLB roster, got rid of the June 1st off-season free agency moratorium, updated our pitching rules, and have done my best to stop owners from destroying teams by monitoring activity and vetoing bad trades.  But I also know that sometimes we have to throw down the gauntlet and say enough is enough.

For what it’s worth, if we continue to dilute the integrity of FGM by circumventing the rules, it will be a signal that my leadership is no longer compatible with the interests of this league and someone else needs to take the helm.  I think my history within this league has shown that I have always done whatever is necessary to help FGM.  I started out as a newbie and gradually took on a variety of responsibilities to help the league as needed, and in many cases, because no one else wanted to do it.  I’m not pointing this out as a veiled threat or because I am looking for a pat on the back.  Everything I’ve done to help this league has been done willingly, but by the same token, this issue has placed me at a crossroads because I simply don’t, and can’t, support actions which circumvent the rules.  I want what’s best for FGM, but I don’t see how doing away with our 60 day rule is anything more that trading draft picks and for me, that is simply unacceptable.

[Brent]

I think that the compulsion to trade has become such an obsession some GMs are willing to do whatever it takes to get a deal done.  FGM, like MLB, doesn’t allow the trading of draft picks as a protection against recklessness, yet I think a greater problem is evolving.  I think the latest trades involving 2019 draftees is a total circumvention of the 60 Day moratorium rule.  Yes, draftees, like newly signed free agents, are part of our organization, but FGM, like MLB, has recognized that sometimes we need to protect GMs from themselves.

At some point, we have to have a little integrity and follow the rules.  We have teams in this league that have been devastated by GMs who only think in the short term and forget about the long term effects.  The list of teams who have had multiple GMs are endless.  We have witnessed the destruction of teams by GMs who want immediate results that are characteristic of redraft leagues.  We’ve had GMs who make ridiculous trades and trade away assets for paltry returns. Or misuse their salary cap and sign free agents to egregious contracts.  The list of gung-ho GMs who come into FGM like gangbusters and then go MIA and have to be removed is endless.  It’s an ongoing problem and the current disregard for protocol only exasperates this ongoing concern.  I may be the only one who feels it’s a situation which will lead to greater difficulties, but as a moderator, I would be remiss if I didn’t voice my growing sense of dispair.

All of us want to win, but there has to be some parameters within a league structure for it to survive.  During my tenure within FGM I have helped bring about positive changes for the good of the league.  I fixed the Trade Committee approval process, got rid of the Compensatory Draft Round, got rid of the EDR and fixed the use of the MiLB roster, got rid of the June 1st off-season free agency moratorium, updated our pitching rules, and have done my best to stop owners from destroying teams by monitoring activity and vetoing bad trades.  But I also know that sometimes we have to throw down the gauntlet and say enough is enough.

For what it’s worth, if we continue to dilute the integrity of FGM by circumventing the rules, it will be a signal that my leadership is no longer compatible with the interests of this league and someone else needs to take the helm.  I think my history within this league has shown that I have always done whatever is necessary to help FGM.  I started out as a newbie and gradually took on a variety of responsibilities to help the league as needed, and in many cases, because no one else wanted to do it.  I’m not pointing this out as a veiled threat or because I am looking for a pat on the back.  Everything I’ve done to help this league has been done willingly, but by the same token, this issue has placed me at a crossroads because I simply don’t, and can’t, support actions which circumvent the rules.  I want what’s best for FGM, but I don’t see how doing away with our 60 day rule is anything more that trading draft picks and for me, that is simply unacceptable.

Thank you.  There is a reason why FGM is the flagship and longest running league on the site.  No changes are needed. 

[Yeagg]

Flash, I have nothing but the utmost respect for you and what you do for this league and for this site as a while. In no way am I ever trying to disrespect you or belittle you or the commissioner powers. The fact that you have lasted this long, implemented that many changes, and dealt with troublesome to downright awful GMs is a testament to your leadership abilities.

As League Manager I will have to respect what decision that you make because I know it will be for the good of the league and not a selfish attempt to help yourself.

That being said, all I am asking for is a vote on the rule with the GM's reasons on why that voted that way. If this idea is in the minority then I'll drop it because the health of the league is more important than getting what I want. :toast:

I don't know about y'all but I'm here for the long haul. I love this shit.