Scoring for pitching

[Dan Wood]

when are rules going to be consistent?  it is hard to build a team not knowing what this league will look like in the future.  please dont change picther scoring

Chris, I tend to agree with you, but the league wanted to change...I gave them the opportunity over a month ago to present a way to change the pitching scoring to more represent how they felt it should be, while not making too drastic of a change. As well as to get it done before free agency started.

[Dan Wood]

Home Runs Allowed (HR)
-15

Innings Pitched (IP)
5

Quality Starts (QS)
15

Pitched (K)
9

Walks Allowed (BB)
Default
-5

Saves + Holds (Sv+Hd)
10


This puts your studs at 3200.... 5 were over 3k, 19 over 2500....

Much better value here with pitchers. Seems to be well liked in Moneyball

Corey, it is too different from the 70/30 split that we have grown accustomed to here at FGM. You can present it as an option, but it doesn't have my vote. Sorry dude.

[Corey]

No prob totally understandable, 70/30 is just absolutely insane. lol

[Dan Wood]

So far we have

Dan: Nay for change. I have argued it from the get go. We already have a built in value parameter for pitchers, there is no point in changing it. It is like comparing AVG leagues and OBP leagues. We already know what to expect going forward. If money wasn't so valuable in this league then I am all for changing, but teams are built, some with very little payroll flexibility. I say leave well enough alone.

Waiting on Colby, Ben, Mike B., Howe, and Roy

[joeshmoe]

So far we have

Dan: Nay for change. I have argued it from the get go. We already have a built in value parameter for pitchers, there is no point in changing it. It is like comparing AVG leagues and OBP leagues. We already know what to expect going forward. If money wasn't so valuable in this league then I am all for changing, but teams are built, some with very little payroll flexibility. I say leave well enough alone.

 :iatp:

[rcankosy]

So far we have

Dan: Nay for change. I have argued it from the get go. We already have a built in value parameter for pitchers, there is no point in changing it. It is like comparing AVG leagues and OBP leagues. We already know what to expect going forward. If money wasn't so valuable in this league then I am all for changing, but teams are built, some with very little payroll flexibility. I say leave well enough alone.

Waiting on Colby, Ben, Mike B., Howe, and Roy

Waiting on me?  I've been among the most vocal that any change could only improve the pitching scoring.  I have suggested Game Score on multiple occasions including this thread.  Imo, we should not ignore the vast majoity of the league that voted in favor of changing the scoring.  I believe the vote was over 75% in favor of change.  I think most folks have tired of the topic, because it seems like we've been talking about it forever without doing anything about it.  The # 1 thing that kills the pitching scoring is the reliance of GB in the current scoring.  Pitchers like Derek Lowe can post 5+ ERA and 1.5+ WHIP and remain top 30 pitchers.  HR allowed to me is the # 2 problem, because aggressive pitchers who give up solo jacks get killed in our scoring.  I think it's time for a vote.  Post 3 simple choices and let it be decided by a vote.  My 3 choices would be the following:

1.  Use Game Score
2.  Modify current pitching to eliminate GB and HR allowed
3.  Modify current pitching to greatly reduce reliance on GB and HR allowed

We can talk about the timing of when to implement the changes later, but doing nothing if 75% of the league thinks something needs to be fixed is not an option in my opinion.  If it were, we should not have bothered with asking for a league-wide vote on the topic.  Sorry for being so blunt.

[Dan Wood]

Yes many members of the league asked for a change...but everyone wanted something different. I asked for ALL members to give a suggestion as to how THEY wanted things changed. What did I get? Game score and a lot of NOTHING, that's it. So if EVERYONE was so concerned about it, more suggestions would have come rushing on through. They have not. And excuse me for being blunt, but I am tired of jerking around with this topic. The month for suggestions was given, the month has come and gone. This is it. I'm tired of it, as many others are. Vote or don't vote. If an agreement is not been reached by the start of free agency, then nothing gets changed. And we can try this battle of who could care less next season.

I said it before and I will repeat myself for the people in the cheap seats...if you don't like the league YOU joined...there is the door.

[h4cheng]

I got do more research, but here is an alternative proposal:

Leave the current pitching scoring set as is.

Then add a secondary set:
XBH allowed: - 3
IP: + 3

Pitcher's score = Current Set * 0.8 + Secondary Set * 0.2
This would limit the impact to a pitchers score to at most 20% while at the same time reflect the actual events of a game.

[rcankosy]

Yes many members of the league asked for a change...but everyone wanted something different. I asked for ALL members to give a suggestion as to how THEY wanted things changed. What did I get? Game score and a lot of NOTHING, that's it. So if EVERYONE was so concerned about it, more suggestions would have come rushing on through. They have not. And excuse me for being blunt, but I am tired of jerking around with this topic. The month for suggestions was given, the month has come and gone. This is it. I'm tired of it, as many others are. Vote or don't vote. If an agreement is not been reached by the start of free agency, then nothing gets changed. And we can try this battle of who could care less next season.

I said it before and I will repeat myself for the people in the cheap seats...if you don't like the league YOU joined...there is the door.

I vote Yea for change. 

[Brewers GM]

My vote is nay...