pitching for bats

[OUDAN]

yanks send

SP Greinke, Zack, $9.5m (2012)

to the Rockies  for

MI Pedroia, Dustin, $7m (2015)


i do this deal to finally sure up my MI. hurts my pitching a little but MI is hard to fill so it was the right move.

rockies to confirm

[fantasyguru]

In my first trade in here, I decided to go for another top tier SP who is on a contending team to make a run for it this year. He is back healthy now and getting better in every start. My offense is good enough to survive the hit of losing Peds although I will miss him.

I confirm.

[guak2005]

Before voting I would like to address fantasyguru, the new GM, and ask if you have checked the scoring system. This league values hitters more than pitchers and MIs in particular are very scarce. Also, Pedroia's contract is cheaper than Greinke's and he is wrapped up until 2015. Check players' scores on fantrax for the last couple of years so you can get a better grasp of the difference in values between starters and hitters. If after you do that you still want to go ahead with the trade I will approve it, but not yet because I think you may have not had the time to properly grasp the scoring system. This is just an informative comment since you may have been treating this league like others in which the trade would make more sense.

[h4cheng]

Before voting I would like to address fantasyguru, the new GM, and ask if you have checked the scoring system. This league values hitters more than pitchers and MIs in particular are very scarce. Also, Pedroia's contract is cheaper than Greinke's and he is wrapped up until 2015. Check players' scores on fantrax for the last couple of years so you can get a better grasp of the difference in values between starters and hitters. If after you do that you still want to go ahead with the trade I will approve it, but not yet because I think you may have not had the time to properly grasp the scoring system. This is just an informative comment since you may have been treating this league like others in which the trade would make more sense.

:iatp:

The other thing is that you have 4 SPs already and not backup at MI at all. Going over the chat, it seems like you were interested in Beckett as well. Here is the market value for Beckett (how the Yankes got him in the first place):

twins trade:
P Beckett, Josh, $8.5m (2014)
X-SP Beckett, Josh, Cash Exchanged on Contract, $-5m in 2011
RP League, Brandon, $1m (2011)

yanks trade:
SP Chapman, Aroldis, $4m (2012)

Well I am happy that my most significant dividional rival just a got a lot weaker, I hate to see my old team get picked on. I am sure fantasyguru is very capable manager but is just unfamilar with the unique settings of this league.

PS. You were wondering why Burnett is at $0 this year:
This is his contract: SP Burnett, A.J., $16.5m (2013)
If you scroll to the Cap Exchanges, Cap Hit section, you will see the following:
X-SP Burnett, A.J., Cash Exchage on Contract $6.5m (2013), $m in 2011
X-SP Burnett, A.J., Cash Exchange on Contract, $6m (2012), $-16.5m in 2011

Therefore, his contract is 16.5M - 16.5M = 0M for 2011, 16.5M - 6.5M = 10M in 2012, and 16.5M - 6.5M = 10M in 2013.

[OUDAN]

Ok guys guru and I are both happy with what this trade does for our respective teams I don't see the problem here everyone has the right to build their team the way they feel is best. Guru has obviously looked over everything and likes what this does for his team. It's not even vetoable.

[28]

it is vetoable because a top MI is more valueable than a top SP and pedroia is on a better contract too. plus fantasyguru is new so they want to make sure he knows that

[guak2005]

Ok guys guru and I are both happy with what this trade does for our respective teams I don't see the problem here everyone has the right to build their team the way they feel is best. Guru has obviously looked over everything and likes what this does for his team. It's not even vetoable.

The problem is that guru probably hasn't had the time to review our scoring system properly.It is the duty of league members to protect new managers from making trades that are harmful to their teams future. Pedroia for Greinke surely makes sense in a regular league in which you want to improve your pitching at the expense of your hitters, but in this league and with those contracts it is far from the same. Worth noting that last year's injury riddled season for Pedroia still outscored Greinke's year. And when Greinke had his Cy Young season, Pedroia outscored him in this league by almost a thousand points. And it is not like Greinke is named Roy Halladay, he has just had one stellar season in his life.

[Dan Wood]

if i may chime in. If guru does understand the scoring, and wants zach, then no it isn't vetoable. Its a top sp for a top mi. Similar trades have happened. I've done a few myself.

[Needle Juice]

Agreed, if Guru is happy, we will evaluate.  I encourage new managers to go back through the Transactions and look at similar trades and also evaluate Pedroia's trades.  I believe he went BOS to WAS to COL.  There may have been another team involved.  Howe maybe you can direct where he came from. 

Reid please chime in and give us more feedback on your perspective. 

Thanks

[h4cheng]

Pedroia was initially traded from BOS to WAS:

Red Sox receive:
SP Maholm, Paul, $5m (2011)
MI Uggla, Dan, $10.5m (2010)
OF Torres, Andres, $0.5m (2010)

Nationals receive:
MI Pedroia, Dustin, $7m (2015)
OF Kalish, Ryan, $0.5m (P-2013)


After a lot of back and forth with Jake (WAS's GM), COL was able to acquire him in the following deal:

CI Youkilis, Kevin, $10.5m (2013)
SP Bromberg, David, $0.5m (P-n/a)

Rockies receive:
MI Pedroia, Dustin, $7m (2015)
C Romine, Austin, $0.5m (P-n/a)
P Rodriguez, Henry, $0.5m (P-n/a)

Reid, if you have a compelling argument for the deal then we are all ears. But as late as 11pm last night, you didn't even know that AJ Burnett had a $0 cap hit this year.