Red sox / phillies come to terms

[Canada8999]

I won't offer my opinion one way or another, but for comparison here are Yunel and Jose's production in our scoring system for the past few seasons:

Player | 2011 | 2010 | 2009 | 2008*
Reyes | 22.59 | 13.57 | 16.18 | 18.5
Escobar | 16.57 | 8.6 | 18.06 | 10.79

Reyes has beat Escobar by about 5-8 PPG in 3 of the past 4 years, with Escobar being better by about 2 PPG in 2009.

Player | 2011 | 2010 | 2009 | 2008*
Reyes | 1039 | 1804 | 582 | 2940
Escobar | 745 | 1161 | 2546 | 1467

Both Reyes and Escobar have seen their totals vary pretty significantly, although other than 2009 Reyes has consistently out produced Escobar.  However, Escobar's 2009 was almost as good as any year Reyes has posted.

* 2008 does not include defensive stats

[Dan Wood]

I will also chime in because why not... As much as I dislike Reyes and wish him all the worst in life, when healthy he is an elite player. So far we have seen elite players get a much higher return than this. Donald will be a UT player in Cleveland - Chisenhall and Kipnis will make sure of that. Luebke hasn't started a game for SD yet this year, and is a bit old to be considered a prospect. I agree that Yunel is a solid player, but with the lack of a solid second piece is what is holding the deal up.

[OUDAN]

i think there are a lot of us that would have given up more then this for reyes

[Needle Juice]

Are you two GMs working toward a revision for this trade?

[nerwffej]

Are you two GMs working toward a revision for this trade?

if doesnt pass i am stepping back and just going to hold for bit and maybe rework deal but nothing different for now

[papps]

I've reached out to Jeff about renogiating and he doesn't seem interested.  I'm already aggravated enough with this trade and at this point I really could care less if it goes through or not.  I've been soured enough with this process.  I think its BS that this trade was not approved.  I take pride in making fair trades and I think there is nothing wrong with this deal.  I think there have been other trades that have been approved that were way more lopsided than this.  But whatever...it is what it is.  :soapbox:

[papps]

Not that it matters but here are the points for this year:

Reyes - 1056

Escobar and Luebke with no stats for Donald - 1055

Yes very unfair. 

[Canada8999]

I said I wasn't going to chime in, but I can't help it

In my opinion, it sounds like many of you are overrating Reyes for this league.  He's an elite player in most fantasy leagues where SB's are really important, but we hardly reward them (especially when we have a decent penalty for CS).  Looking at his track record outside of this year, his PPG averages of 13, 16 and 18 are above average but far from elite, and that does not include his injury history.  His current 22 PPG rate is inflated by a %BABIP 31 points above his career average ... enough to drop his PPG back into the 13-18 range should it normalize.

Whether or not the trade is fair is up to the TC, but I don't think it should be rejected on the premise that Reyes is an elite player since he has not performed like one in our league.

[28]

I said I wasn't going to chime in, but I can't help it

In my opinion, it sounds like many of you are overrating Reyes for this league.  He's an elite player in most fantasy leagues where SB's are really important, but we hardly reward them (especially when we have a decent penalty for CS).  Looking at his track record outside of this year, his PPG averages of 13, 16 and 18 are above average but far from elite, and that does not include his injury history.  His current 22 PPG rate is inflated by a %BABIP 31 points above his career average ... enough to drop his PPG back into the 13-18 range should it normalize.

Whether or not the trade is fair is up to the TC, but I don't think it should be rejected on the premise that Reyes is an elite player since he has not performed like one in our league.

i agree escobar and reyes are pretty equal not that far apart i think it shouldnt be rejected either

[Canada8999]

i agree escobar and reyes are pretty equal not that far apart i think it shouldnt be rejected either

I wouldn't go as far as saying they're equal, but not too far apart sure.  Escobar has been between 8-18 PPG, Reyes 13-18 PPG.