Author Topic: RP Compensation Rules - An Open Forum with RC Participation (Read 2948 times)

papps · « **Reply #10 on:** March 04, 2015, 01:46:16 PM »

Great work Flash! With that said, nobody in their right mind would resign a top 10 pitcher.

rcankosy · « **Reply #11 on:** March 04, 2015, 02:11:01 PM »

The 25% adjustment I threw out was off the top of my head. Someone should study the numbers and compute the actual % of fantasy points earned by RP relative to SP.

VolsRaysBucs · « **Reply #12 on:** March 04, 2015, 02:42:02 PM »

Also, we need to be aware that the reason salaries have increased since 2010 in "real life" is because of increased team revenue and expenditures, not an increase in production by players. If we just arbitrarily bump the salaries without a correlated increase in team caps, it could potentially further increase the disparity we are seeing down the road. I'm only playing the bad guy's advocate here, I'm not sure how this would all play out once rubber met road.

BHows · « **Reply #13 on:** March 04, 2015, 02:52:36 PM »

Please note that the suggestion is to adjust relief pitchers only. Starting pitchers will remain the same.

jpmanchester · « **Reply #14 on:** March 04, 2015, 03:25:33 PM »

Quote from: Flash on March 04, 2015, 01:42:48 PM

Therefore, for Franchise GM, Type A FA are:
Top 6 C
Top 12 MI, CI
Top 15 OF
Top 30 SP
Top 7 RP

Type B FA are:
7th - 12th ranked C
13th - 24th ranked MI, CI
16th - 30th ranked OF
31st - 60th ranked SP
8th - 13th ranked RP

This would go along with the idea of adjusting the value of RPs to 25% of SPs and allow RPs to retain some value in FGM (#7 and #13 are used as cutoff limits because of the salary changes at those levels on the new scale).

This is, of course, in the discussion phase, so please share your thoughts.

For context, I believe that with those rules the only two RP that would have been Type A or B this year are Simon (A) and Collmenter (B), both were SP and have lost their RP tag this year. So people are signing them as SP, but having to give up RP compensation. Both are outside the top 60 SP but whoever signed Simon had to give up Type A RP compensation. Ouch. Not sure there's a way around this, but just a point to consider.

All the info on salaries is very helpful in understanding where the numbers came from though. And this solution does provide a nice balance. Narrows down compensation to only the top RP without taking type A designation away. I just don't think any RP is worth losing a first round pick. But obviously some do and still sign Type A RP's, so maybe this is a nice balance.

Lastly, I don't think it's a question of de-valuing RP necessarily, they've always been de-valued due to the scoring system. I don't think changing price or compensation is going to devalue them, it's just bringing those things in line with the value they already have (not much). There are so many RP out there, it's easy to cheaply replace them with very little drop off in fantasy points scored. Only way to change their values in relation to hitters would be to adjust the scoring system somehow. In the framework of league and scoring settings, it just doesn't make any sense to sign an RP for any more than a couple million dollars for the very best.

Sorry so long winded. I like the break down you did and it makes sense and I think it might be a nice compromise between those of us that think RP are valuable and those of us that don't. We all agree values are too high as-is, based on 2010 numbers, so this might be a good first step to bring values down and see how it works out from there without going too far in the other direction.

BHows · « **Reply #15 on:** March 04, 2015, 03:58:25 PM »

Thanks for the comment JP. As I see it the SP/RP is one of three related issues (1. RP compensation, 2.) RP salaries, 3.) SP/RP determination) I agree that this go a long way in solving the first two. IMO the SP/RP issue still needs to be addressed.