VOTE - Weekly or Daily Lineups

[molinator]

I vote daily. It makes the league more active  :thumbsup:

[Dan Wood]

Daily. Reasoning for it, is playing the match ups(Lind is a good example). What I don't agree with is streaming pitchers. We should be able to come up with some rule that everyone can agree on in regards to streaming SPs. For instance, Marcus Thames for the most part only plays against lefties, otherwise Brett Gradner plays left, and Granderson is in center. Against lefties Granderson sits, because he can't hit them to save his life. This is a managerial strategy. Pitching 7-10 sps a week, is yes a strategy, but not one that would be available to a major league manager. In fantasy it is just compiling stats, in a throwing crap up against a wall type of way. If the only way to curb this, is to go to weekly, then I reserve the right to change my vote to weekly. I don't see why we can't do a weekly inning limit. Most teams play 6 games a week. 6x9= 54. Our innings cap should be somewhere around there, IMO.

[Canada8999]

With all due respect Corey, I think you're reaching to try and push towards daily and contradict yourself a number of times in this thread:

- For members who want to set there lineups weekly you still can just set it days in advance

The push for weekly lineups is to resolve the defensive and start limit issues that people were upset with last year, it is not meant to reduce an owners responsibility.

- Weekly lineups will make members less active. No not all members but some. No reason to sign in and check lineups

For starters, there is no lack of activity in this league during the season - it is one of the most active league's I've seen, and I don't think this change will detract from that (activity is due to trades and such here on the message boards, not necessarily fantrax activity).  Also, as you note below, the total prep time may still be similar.

- Take away any strategy of playing guys like Thome or Adam Lind only against right handed starters

It also adds strategy as you note below, as you need to look at an entire week's worth of match-ups when you decide on your lineup rather than just one day, and having additional depth will give you more options.

- Takes away the concept of depth. All you want is the best 5 sp's you can get. no need for back up catcher to play on off days. Just totally diminishes the depth concept.

There are so many uncertainties in baseball that injuries and under-performances WILL happen, and depth WILL be required.  Teams with depth will still have an advantage.  Show me a team that has their 5 best starters stay healthy and productive all season and I'll show you an owner that should be in Vegas...

- The league voted for no start limit (yes, i voted for one) but making weekly lineups completely abolishes the vote. Its pretty much a way around the league wide decision.

The league voted against a hard cap on starts - this is different, and teams with many two-start pitchers will still be able to rack up the starts.  Teams with depth at SP will have even more two-start pitchers to add to the lineup in place of a one-start guy.

- As Paul pointed out teams rest there players at the end. Weekly lineups would not be good toward the end. For example just this past year, I sat Texiera in the playoffs 3 times becomes Girardi was resting him. Weekly lineups would give me no player for that period. Not good.

So your would need to make a strategic decision at the start of the week whether or not to start him, and if your team had strong depth you might be able to get better total production out of someone else.

- It would completely change the way teams have strategized for there future. Example teams with much depth would now be handcuffed. They cant play there depth so in theory they wasted there money and should have just paid a stud more money.

I disagree - depth will still be important as I mentioned above.  Also, I do not expect there are more than a few teams in this scenario, and if push came to shove the trade market is so liquid that they could adjust accordingly (although I think trading away all depth would be a mistake, maybe some will disagree).

- Time. It is much easier to get one once a day for 10 minutes and look at your matchups than it is to do it once a week and research all your matchups for the whole week for all your players. Plus, if im setting my lineup on sunday, I might not know who the opposing pitcher is the following sunday and play the wrong guy. It would take an hour out of sundays to do the necessary research.

This contradicts your point of reducing activity and strategy...

[Canada8999]

I voted weekly because it eliminates the defensive eligibility concerns, eliminates the opportunity for SP streaming which is not realistic, and in my opinion does not detract from the strategy or need for depth.

[Canada8999]

Daily. Reasoning for it, is playing the match ups(Lind is a good example). What I don't agree with is streaming pitchers. We should be able to come up with some rule that everyone can agree on in regards to streaming SPs. For instance, Marcus Thames for the most part only plays against lefties, otherwise Brett Gradner plays left, and Granderson is in center. Against lefties Granderson sits, because he can't hit them to save his life. This is a managerial strategy. Pitching 7-10 sps a week, is yes a strategy, but not one that would be available to a major league manager. In fantasy it is just compiling stats, in a throwing crap up against a wall type of way. If the only way to curb this, is to go to weekly, then I reserve the right to change my vote to weekly. I don't see why we can't do a weekly inning limit. Most teams play 6 games a week. 6x9= 54. Our innings cap should be somewhere around there, IMO.

I completely agree with your point on steaming, but the league did vote against a start cap - I imagine the outcome for an innings cap might be similar...

[hank]

Daily: More control, more realistic.

[Canada8999]

With all due respect Corey, I think you're reaching to try and push towards daily and contradict yourself a number of times in this thread:

Note that while I say this, I'll admit I am trying to push weekly but this is because I think we need to fix the highlighted defensive and streaming issues and this is a simple, no cost solution (at least no cost in my opinion, but it seems many disagree...)

[BHows]

Sorry, I must have slept through the pitching thing.
Didn't we agree that it took 10 starts to qualify as a SP? That would eliminate a lot of SP/RP. If a team wants to carry 10 SP's they do so at their own risk. In a 30 team league you would be very hard pressed to find 10 good ones. All it will do is take away roster spots for position players and we all know this is a hitters league.

[itsmb8]

daily. it gives more accurate lineups(as far as players who are playing) and a higher scoring matchup.

[bravesfan4]

Note that while I say this, I'll admit I am trying to push weekly but this is because I think we need to fix the highlighted defensive and streaming issues and this is a simple, no cost solution (at least no cost in my opinion, but it seems many disagree...)

No Ben you are wrong with all due respect. Do I want a start limit?...yes....but weekly lineups is NOT the way to do it. They're way to many negatives with weekly lineups. The only positive is curving the starts. I have listed many negatives. No way am i contradicting myself. The negatives of the weekly lineups far far out way the positive. You are right about one thing, I am pushing for daily lineups...for all the reasons I stated in my first post.