Angels/White Sox Trade

[Jss0062]

I agree it's lopsided talent wise but Ramirez and Dunn are both on the downside of their careers and $34.5 million in payroll is a ton.  I can see the reasoning though Wittgren is a sneaky pick up because he could be Miami's closer soon.

Yes Dunn is clearly on the downside and his playing time will be cut into as he will likely platoon at DH Konerko. I have no problem at all dumping Dunn. Ramirez on the other had is entering his age 32 season and has been very consistent over his career.  He is a low strikeout guy who is a very good base runner. He's also an above average defender. These are all traits that age well and will keep him on the field and lend to consistency.

I'm completely ok with paying to dump Dunn as the value doesn't match the contract.
Ramirez's contract is a good value for the production and he is being given away.

The reasoning is excellent and I would've called the trade a push if I had not checked the production numbers.


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[sommersd]

Yes Dunn is clearly on the downside and his playing time will be cut into as he will likely platoon at DH Konerko. I have no problem at all dumping Dunn. Ramirez on the other had is entering his age 32 season and has been very consistent over his career.  He is a low strikeout guy who is a very good base runner. He's also an above average defender. These are all traits that age well and will keep him on the field and lend to consistency.

I'm completely ok with paying to dump Dunn as the value doesn't match the contract.
Ramirez's contract is a good value for the production and he is being given away.

The reasoning is excellent and I would've called the trade a push if I had not checked the production numbers.


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Perhaps I shouldn't poke the bear in this instance since it looks like the trade will go through, but here I go. The voting on trades is not, or at least should not be, to ensure that all trades are equal. It is to ensure that trades are not so outrageously unfair that it will irreparably damage one team or overpower the other. If it is anywhere near a push, or both teams have sound reasoning, without harming the league, it should be approved.

Sorry, my two cents on what the trading process should be like.   

[ThePetis]

Perhaps I shouldn't poke the bear in this instance since it looks like the trade will go through, but here I go. The voting on trades is not, or at least should not be, to ensure that all trades are equal. It is to ensure that trades are not so outrageously unfair that it will irreparably damage one team or overpower the other. If it is anywhere near a push, or both teams have sound reasoning, without harming the league, it should be approved.

Sorry, my two cents on what the trading process should be like.

Well said, totally agree.

[Jss0062]

I agree in principal. The issue with lopsided trades is that it sets the trade market for similar players.  In the real world the roles of this trade would be reversed with the team trying to contend overpaying the rebuilding team for pieces. This deal the rebuilding team is giving up the pieces, draft picks, and the better prospect.


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[sommersd]

You neglect the money part of this. I want to shape this team my way and part of that requires that I have the money to do what I have planned in FA and future trades.Does it suck to lose Ramirez, yes. But I just doubled my remaining salary this year and that is important.

Either way, the trade is not lopsided, but rather there is a winner and a loser, and yes I can understand that I am the loser here, but it gives me the flexibility to do what I want to do to improve my team long term. The market is always changing, if this becomes a significant and influential deal then oh well, time to adapt to a changing market, just like real life.

[chrisetc21]

Perhaps I shouldn't poke the bear in this instance since it looks like the trade will go through, but here I go. The voting on trades is not, or at least should not be, to ensure that all trades are equal. It is to ensure that trades are not so outrageously unfair that it will irreparably damage one team or overpower the other. If it is anywhere near a push, or both teams have sound reasoning, without harming the league, it should be approved.

Sorry, my two cents on what the trading process should be like.

I don't think the standard should be irreparable damage.  Any damage can be repaired in time.  I think the standard is where it's so lopsided that it legitimately hurts one team and gives an unfair advantage to another, something like that. 

I don't think this trade does that but I see the point the Phillies are making, I just disagree.  I think the ability to offload that much salary is extremely valuable to a rebuilding team. 

I do think if your team is in a situation where you want to move payroll and take a loss like this trade that you should be required to post in the trade block.  I don't doubt there would be better offers than this and you're only hurting your own club by not exploring trades with the entire league.

[Jss0062]

The money is a huge part of this deal and I agree that you have to pay in picks or prospects to dump a bad contract. This is the case with Dunn. The problem I have with the deal is paying to dump Ramirez, he is a valuable asset that other teams would pay for.  For the record I don't care if or to whom you trade Ramirez. I myself have no interest in him, I just ask that all teams get fair value for their assets.  All I'm going to say, congrats on the trade it looks like it will pass.


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[Lindner]

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[haseloff]

Perhaps I shouldn't poke the bear in this instance since it looks like the trade will go through, but here I go. The voting on trades is not, or at least should not be, to ensure that all trades are equal. It is to ensure that trades are not so outrageously unfair that it will irreparably damage one team or overpower the other. If it is anywhere near a push, or both teams have sound reasoning, without harming the league, it should be approved.

Sorry, my two cents on what the trading process should be like.

Exactly! 

Robinson Cano is on the trading block once he gets picked up in FA. I'm scared shitless that no number of elite prospects will be enough to allow a trade to go through. (Shameless advertising for Cano, send blockbuster trade offers)

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[mrmetsman]

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