Red sox / phillies come to terms

[MillerTime]

It has also been long established that when there exists controversy surrounding a deal owners need to explain themselves further. We haven't heard a word from Boston, as only papps has been giving his input. As I told on an earlier message I was expecting further explanation from both sides before making a ruling, since after a long period off time there was no explanation I decided to recommend a renegotiation. And yes, they may have been more lopsided deals approved, but that doesn't mean they should had been approved.

I support Daniel here.  He is correct, further explanation may have allowed this trade to pass or led to renegotiation.  Roy, is correct as well regarding the process. 

Everyone be clear, the TC did not veto, only asked for further explanation, when this is not received from both parties, then there is no choice on moving forward. 

[papps]

What do you expect Jeff to say?  We have a week debate over Jose Reyes!  I am not speaking for him but we have gone to a 3 page thread over potentially a bad deal made by him.  What do you want him to do?  We both made the deal because we thought it was best for our teams.  He posted the deal and gave you the reason why he wanted to do it.  I can understand now if he didn't want the deal or not want to renegotiate.  Again, I don't speak for him and I may be wrong but if it was me and people were debating a trade they thought was bad for me I'd be feeling like maybe I made a bad deal.  Everyone is entitled to their opinion.  We have a lot of well respected GM's saying that the trade is fair and there is nothing wrong with it.  Daniel and Aubrey are the only two opposed to it.  Again, the whole purpose for the trade committee is that the trade be fair.  I think its overwhelmingly obvious the trade is fair.  I also feel is why should I have to give up more if the trade is fair already?  Is that fair to me? 

[Mr.TradeKing]

To make it clear, I did veto the deal on the sole premise that Reyes is an "elite" player and could have fetched more. I vetoed the deal because Jeff wants to get younger and build a team. What are the ages of Yunel, Donald, and Luebke are close to Reyes' age if I am not mistaken, and regardless of age, I believe that Reyes will out produce Yunel and Luebke (maybe Donald) also for the remainder of his career. If he doesn't out produce all 3, the 3B or UTIL that he acquires will most likely out produce Donald, who I remind everyone has already had several shots to stick in the MLB and we all see where he is. If ya'll can persuade Daniel, then I guess I will approve it.

~MTK

[Daniel]

I won't approve if Jeff doesn't explain himself further. It makes me think that he himself wasn't entirely convinced of the deal to begin with. The TC's job is not to stamp approvals on all trades, but to evaluate each trade, give their opinions and determine the fairness of a trade. When the members of the TC are hesitant to approve it is needed that all participants in the trade chime in with their reasons to do the trade and prove they are convinced. I have many times approved trades I was doubtful about after further explanations were given.

[nerwffej]

There is nothing more to explain after TC evaluated it makes sence I am fine with it

[Dan Wood]

I think everyone has said their piece on this matter. I am moving it to the invalid transactions folder. Believe me when I say this, no one in this league likes to see trades vetoed. It might lead to GMs being gun shy in the future. And as most of you know the best way to obtain players is through trades, or over pay for free agents. I hope this doesn't affect anyone's future participation in the trade market.

[papps]

This trade should have been honored.

[h4cheng]

Totally agreed.

And in response to Rob's question since the other thread got locked, if you are on TC, be consistent, expect to be challenged sometimes and don't take criticisms personally