RC Vote Needed for the Following Proposal on Rookie Bonsuses

[joeshmoe]

Tier 1 (26 through 30) = 7
Tier 2 (21 through 25) = 6
Tier 3 (16 through 20) = 5
Tier 4 (11 through 15) = 4
Tier 5 (6 through 10) = 3
Tier 6 (1 through 5) =  2

Another thing I would like to suggest, and it was successful in Moneyball was an up and down minor league system. Allowing the movement of players from the 40 man to the minors (EDR) is an easy way of clearing cap without dropping players. And I know a few of us would like to replace some of the garbage in our EDR with what we consider useful prospects. Again just a suggestion.

Not a ec member, clearly, but I think this I think this is the most fair.  I agree with Howe's logic, and it is supported with this system suggested by Dan.  Potentially eliminate tier 6 and maybe 5?  Is that more in line with Howe?

[rcankosy]

Tier 1 (26 through 30) = 7
Tier 2 (21 through 25) = 6
Tier 3 (16 through 20) = 5
Tier 4 (11 through 15) = 4
Tier 5 (6 through 10) = 3
Tier 6 (1 through 5) =  2

Another thing I would like to suggest, and it was successful in Moneyball was an up and down minor league system. Allowing the movement of players from the 40 man to the minors (EDR) is an easy way of clearing cap without dropping players. And I know a few of us would like to replace some of the garbage in our EDR with what we consider useful prospects. Again just a suggestion.

I think those numbers are a fair compromise between what Howe and I proposed.  I would like the others to digest this proposal, but barring any strenuous objections, I think we may be able to put this issue to bed. 

I would like to table the elimination of the EDR for now.  My brain can't take too much change right now, LOL.

[Dan Wood]

Tier 1 (26 through 30) = 7
Tier 2 (21 through 25) = 6
Tier 3 (16 through 20) = 5
Tier 4 (11 through 15) = 4
Tier 5 (6 through 10) = 3
Tier 6 (1 through 5) =  2

Another thing I would like to suggest, and it was successful in Moneyball was an up and down minor league system. Allowing the movement of players from the 40 man to the minors (EDR) is an easy way of clearing cap without dropping players. And I know a few of us would like to replace some of the garbage in our EDR with what we consider useful prospects. Again just a suggestion.

[Dan Wood]

I would say a 30% cut in Roy's prices is fair. Considering the first overall pick will get 7 mil, and that would take care of that teams entire draft budget.

[h4cheng]

Roy your proposal would drive up the salary for major league players since everyone is getting a bonus. I would suggest a 5m bonus for the bltt 5 teams and a 2.5 bonus for 6 to 10. Teams can decide whether they want to blow it on one player or spread it out. Note that in your proposal the gap between tier 1 and 5 is also 5m

[rcankosy]

I would probably cut those numbers in half. In my mind, the draft budget should be a supplement not a replacement for the draft fund a team has available.

Imo, we would be back to square one if we did that.  Teams like the Orioles and the Padres would have to choose between spending to become winners and saving money for the draft.  I thought that the whole premise to revamping the draft system was to allow the worst teams to sign the best players without compromising their major league salary cap.  I really don't want to re-visit this topic like IP for the next 3 years, LOL.  Would it not be better to have slightly inflated draft budgets?  Who would be harmed?

[h4cheng]

I would probably cut those numbers in half. In my mind, the draft budget should be a supplement not a replacement for the draft fund a team has available.

[rcankosy]

I am skeptical that the new method will add any strategy, but I won't fight the majority.

I propose the following draft budgets based on the current rookie bonuses and the final 2012 standings.  There is no need to change both if we simply create draft budgets based on the current bonus levels.  For example, the Orioles budget should be enough to afford the 1st, 31st, 61st, and so on ranked players based on the current bonus levels.  We could build the Orioles budget as follows:

1st pick = 7m
31st = 1.5m
61st = 0.5m
91st = 0 (no bonus)

Therefore, the Orioles budget should be 9m.  I like dealing in round numbers, so we could give them a budget of an even 12m to allow for supplemental picks and players with higher bonuses than 1.5m slipping for the 31st pick.  To keep things simple and avoid creating individual budgets per team, I suggest 6 budget tiers based on the standings such as the following.

Tier 1 (26 through 30) = 12m
Tier 2 (21 through 25) = 11m
Tier 3 (16 through 20) = 10m
Tier 4 (11 through 15) = 9m
Tier 5 (6 through 10) = 8m
Tier 6 (1 through 5) = 7m

 

[mattpily]

I like option 5 and 6 but if I had to pick just 1 I would go with 6

[Dan Wood]

My thinking on it is as such...

Giving a team a draft budget (cap) that is all they would be allowed to spend in the draft, unless they wanted to spend some of their money and sign the player to a MLB contract, add that player to their 40 man, and not receive any benefits of having said player as a prospect (see Mike Trout as an example).

In my head #6 works better because that way the cap amount is fluid from season to season. ANd would emulate the way the Rays were built. High picks until they got good, then the gravy train runs out. The numbers I had more or less imagined were 10 mil for the lower end teams and 3 mil for the higher end (rich or playoff teams depending if we are talking 5 or 6) and 5 mil for the guys in between. Again the numbers can be finagled.

I tend to agree with Howe that #2 doesn't involve any strategy because of all of the auto picking that goes on here.