Author Topic: Draft question  (Read 3295 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline papps

  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2010
  • Posts: 8632
  • Bonus inPoints: 9
    • :PHI-NFL:
    • :PHI-NBA:
    • :PHI-NHL:
    • :Blank:
    • :PHI:
    • View Profile
Draft question
« on: November 14, 2015, 01:59:34 PM »
Shouldn't the type B compensation draft picks come after the 2nd round?  I had thought the Type A come after the first round and Type B comes after the 2nd. 
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
🏆 - 2021 NFL Live Champion :TB-NFL:
🏆 - 2020 Bush League Champion :PHI:
🏆 - 2018 Franchise GM Champion :PHI:
🏆 - 2018 The League Champion :PIT-NFL:
🏆 - 2016 Moneyball II Champion :BOS:
🏆 - 2010 Agents vs GMs Champion :PHI:

Offline BHows

  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Oct 2009
  • Posts: 12545
  • Bonus inPoints: 3
    • :CIN-NFL:
    • :Blank:
    • :Blank:
    • :Kentucky:
    • :CIN:
    • View Profile
Re: Draft question
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2015, 02:23:29 PM »
Shouldn't the type B compensation draft picks come after the 2nd round?  I had thought the Type A come after the first round and Type B comes after the 2nd.

We have always had the one Compensatory Round but that is a very good point Chris. I don't completely understand how MLB arrives at their compensation but I do know that they usually(always?) have two Comp. rounds.
If we propose to emulate MLB, this may be something we would want to look into. Thanks for bringing it up
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
2022 WCB2 Champions

Eric

  • Guest
Re: Draft question
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2015, 02:52:47 PM »
I agree with Papps, I think the MLB has the "B" after round 2.
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions

Offline papps

  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2010
  • Posts: 8632
  • Bonus inPoints: 9
    • :PHI-NFL:
    • :PHI-NBA:
    • :PHI-NHL:
    • :Blank:
    • :PHI:
    • View Profile
Re: Draft question
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2015, 02:53:31 PM »
I'm not exactly sure how it works either but I really appreciate us looking into it for next year. Many thanks for all the hard work you put into this league!!!  :toth: :toth:

The first concern that I would have is that most Type "B" FAs are RP. We have already limited them to the Top 12. Would placing them after Rd.2 de-value them too much?
« Last Edit: November 14, 2015, 02:59:04 PM by BHows »
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
🏆 - 2021 NFL Live Champion :TB-NFL:
🏆 - 2020 Bush League Champion :PHI:
🏆 - 2018 Franchise GM Champion :PHI:
🏆 - 2018 The League Champion :PIT-NFL:
🏆 - 2016 Moneyball II Champion :BOS:
🏆 - 2010 Agents vs GMs Champion :PHI:

Eric

  • Guest
Re: Draft question
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2015, 03:03:42 PM »
Good point, it possibly could.
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions

Offline papps

  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2010
  • Posts: 8632
  • Bonus inPoints: 9
    • :PHI-NFL:
    • :PHI-NBA:
    • :PHI-NHL:
    • :Blank:
    • :PHI:
    • View Profile
Re: Draft question
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2015, 03:21:17 PM »
Definitely a good point. Something we can discuss for next year.  :thumbsup:
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
🏆 - 2021 NFL Live Champion :TB-NFL:
🏆 - 2020 Bush League Champion :PHI:
🏆 - 2018 Franchise GM Champion :PHI:
🏆 - 2018 The League Champion :PIT-NFL:
🏆 - 2016 Moneyball II Champion :BOS:
🏆 - 2010 Agents vs GMs Champion :PHI:

Offline Flash

  • *ProFSL Staff
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2010
  • Posts: 23232
  • Bonus inPoints: 319
    • :SFO:
    • :GS:
    • :SJ:
    • :California:
    • :UnitedStates:
    • :SF:
    • View Profile
Re: Draft question
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2015, 04:43:07 PM »
Shouldn't the type B compensation draft picks come after the 2nd round?  I had thought the Type A come after the first round and Type B comes after the 2nd.

Now that MLB has adopted the concept of teams making "Qualifying Offers" to prospective Free Agents, Type A and Type B designations are gone.  Now, when a player reaches free agency, the team that is going to lose him can offer a qualifying offer that is the average of the previous season's top 125 salaries.  This year it was $15.8m for one year.  The process changed, and for the first time in it's four year existence, three players accepted qualifying offers:  Colby Rasmus, Brett Anderson, and Matt Wieters.

Instead of qualifying offers (QO), we offer a ranked extension scale, however, if we are to mirror MLB, some changes in our draft would need to happen.

*** Top 10 first round picks are protected in MLB, in FGM we protect the top 15 (I could be mistaken). 

*** Under the new MLB CBA, the team signing a QO, loses a first round pick if it's 11-30.  If it's 1-10, they don't give up their 1st round pick, but the next pick after that--which could be the sandwich pick I'll allude to in a bit--or a Round 2 pick, whichever comes first. 

*** The team losing a QO player does not get the 1st Round pick of the team that signed their free agent player, instead they get a "sandwich pick" at the end of the first round (dependent upon the draft slot of the team from which the player comes). 

*** Teams losing free agents do not get two picks for a Type A and one pick for a Type B because those designations are gone.  Instead, they get "one pick" for each QO player lost in the "sandwich round"  that follows the first round.   

*** This year, MLB also adopted a rule that a player who is traded during the season before his free agency does not qualify as a QO player.  Therefore, a team can no longer trade for a player during the season and be compensated with a draft pick if he signs with another team.  For example, if applied to FGM, I traded from Brock Holt during the 2015 season.  Right now, he qualifies as a Type A or a QO player because he was a top 20 OF.  Under new MLB rules, my team, the Giants, would not get a draft pick if he is signed by another team during our Free Agent period because he was gained via trade during the 2015 season.  It basically prohibits compensation for "rental players".

Right now, I think we give up way too much compensation for players lost to free agency and it might be time to change to what MLB has adopted.  This year, we had 42 compensatory picks between 1:15 and 2:1, and I think that is whacked. :doh:
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
🏆 2021 FGM World Series Champion - :SF:
🏆 2017 WCB2 World Series Champion - :SD:
🏆 2021 BSN Football Mt West Champion :UNLV:
🏆 2021 BSN Football Big 10 Champion -  :Nebraska:
🏆 2021 BSN Football Pac-12 Champion :California:

Eric

  • Guest
Re: Draft question
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2015, 04:54:20 PM »
Maybe be just get rid of "B"
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions

chrisetc21

  • Guest
Re: Draft question
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2015, 03:36:52 PM »
Not a fan of the comp picks.  As a rebuilding team and only a 20 man minors the comp picks incredibly diminish my ability to draft and retain talent. 
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions

Offline BHows

  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Oct 2009
  • Posts: 12545
  • Bonus inPoints: 3
    • :CIN-NFL:
    • :Blank:
    • :Blank:
    • :Kentucky:
    • :CIN:
    • View Profile
Re: Draft question
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2015, 03:57:19 PM »
Not a fan of the comp picks.  As a rebuilding team and only a 20 man minors the comp picks incredibly diminish my ability to draft and retain talent.
We are trying to emulate MLB as closely as possible so doing away with Comp picks is not realistic. A large portion of ours are RP so limiting them to twelve will go a long way toward rectifying the situation. Witness the fact that there were 36 Comp picks this year as opposed to 17 for next year's FYPD.
I like the idea of using the Qualifying Offer adopted by MLB. I think it's something we need to look into
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
2022 WCB2 Champions

 

Forum Search


Quick Profile

 
 
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

* Chat Room

Refresh History
  • Mt_Crushmore: Anyone know how to eliminate all the baseball news in unread topics and have football or hockey?
    Yesterday at 09:15:12 AM
  • Mt_Crushmore: Nevermind found it!
    Yesterday at 09:18:29 AM
  • Mt_Crushmore: Excited to see this news!!! Goff agreed to a four-year, $212 million contract extension with the Lions on Monday, Adam Schefter of ESPN reports.
    Yesterday at 09:23:51 AM
  • Daddy: He has two NFL LIVE Superbowl wins. The only two time champion.
    Yesterday at 11:59:49 AM
  • Rhino7: The GOAT lol
    Yesterday at 01:11:16 PM
  • BayAreaBallers: I'm ready for another SB rub
    Yesterday at 01:15:30 PM
  • BayAreaBallers: In NFL
    Yesterday at 01:15:35 PM
  • Mt_Crushmore: Where's all the Gm's other than the norm? Wake up!!! You got a team to run!!!. Let's trade, talk football, get tou FIRED up even though your last in your division.
    Yesterday at 04:22:12 PM
  • Mt_Crushmore: Any YouTube viewers watching dynasty draft? Any your subscribed to?
    Yesterday at 04:31:02 PM
  • Jwalkerjr88: Lol
    Yesterday at 04:53:59 PM
  • Jwalkerjr88: I get like that too Eric. My goal every offseason is to do at least 1 trade with every gm. Why not? Its fun
    Yesterday at 04:55:00 PM
  • Jwalkerjr88: Some guys just dont trade for whatever reason. But the guys who dont arent championship contenders.
    Yesterday at 04:55:47 PM
  • Daddy: They trade, about as often as real teams do. For people that love year round trading, being in one league, one sport, its going to be difficult.
    Yesterday at 05:38:13 PM
  • Jwalkerjr88: Not everyone trades. But agreed, for one sport folk like myself. It requires patience
    Yesterday at 06:10:32 PM
  • Alpha5: NFL LIVE is the most difficult league for me and it's not even close
    Yesterday at 07:22:33 PM
  • Daddy: Cant just trade because its fun. There needs to be a purpose behind trading. Get guys you believe in or need to keep improving.
    Yesterday at 08:44:03 PM
  • Daddy: NFL LIVE has the toughest GMs & football is the toughest fantasy sport for DYNASTY. Redraft will always be King of football.
    Yesterday at 08:45:00 PM
  • Daddy: Baseball, hockey, basketball guys struggle with NFL LIVE because its just so damn fast (football careers, roster turnover etc.)
    Yesterday at 08:46:19 PM
  • Alpha5: Limited assets
    Yesterday at 11:05:53 PM
  • Daddy: We all have the same assets
    Today at 12:14:51 AM
  • Alpha5: If a team has 2 QB1s another team has none. If a team in baseball has 2 1B it doesn't leave a team without one.
    Today at 09:09:33 AM
  • Alpha5: That's what I mean by limited assets
    Today at 09:09:53 AM
  • Brent: And that's why I haven't traded Carr yet.  Someone doesn't have a QB or thinks they'll get one in FA/draft and might be left wanting.
    Today at 09:12:28 AM
  • Daddy: @Alpha if a team in MLB LIVE has two starting 1Bs then there is also a team without one.
    Today at 10:30:34 AM
  • ldsjayhawk: @jwalker I make like 2-3 trades a year for each of my baseball teams, maybe.  I'll tell you part of the reason I don't trade.  Every trade discussion starts out with the other team wanting my top prospect regardless of what I am trading for.  I am not trading Jackson Holliday for your backup catcher who is going to play 20 games this year.
    Today at 10:56:16 AM
  • Alpha5: Nah cause position eligibility. 1B/OF, 1B,3B etc
    Today at 11:02:48 AM
  • Daddy: CB/S >> DE/LB >> Taysom Hill QB/TE
    Today at 12:06:43 PM
  • Daddy: Football is just harder. You can build a team and 3 years later its irrelevant due to injury, retirement, roster turnover.
    Today at 12:07:41 PM
  • Alpha5: @ldsjayhawk I get the frustration but you're gonna have to get over that man haha
    Today at 12:29:52 PM
  • Alpha5: And maybe you should trade Jackson Holiday lolol
    Today at 12:32:00 PM
  • Brent: In an offsite league, I inquired about Mason Miller and the guy asked for Jackson Holliday.
    Today at 12:39:24 PM
  • dbreer23: Is it like a 4 team redraft league? :rofl:
    Today at 12:40:30 PM
  • dbreer23: Cris, there is a reason that you are a good owner, bc you can discern a value deal vs. a BS deal. Not all owners are that savvy. They will eventually leave...
    Today at 12:42:49 PM
  • Brent: Nope, 32-team contract league.
    Today at 12:49:09 PM
  • ldsjayhawk: I don't have Holiday.  Just used him as an example since he was the #1 prospect
    Today at 12:56:05 PM
  • ldsjayhawk: @Alpha I do make trades.  I am just not giving up the entire farm to land a guy I can get out of the FA pool
    Today at 12:59:21 PM
  • ldsjayhawk: Trading should be a win-win situation for both teams.
    Today at 01:00:32 PM
  • dbreer23: Agreed. I think the Devers deal in FGM is a good example of that. Devers gives SD some now (and future) pop, giving up substantial pieces to get him (Mayo, Keith, and one other).
    Today at 01:03:48 PM
  • Brent: I had Holliday in FGM before I stepped away.
    Today at 01:24:07 PM
  • Brent: I am glad I cut back on leagues, I was spread too thin.
    Today at 01:24:25 PM
  • Jwalkerjr88: @idsjayhawk i understand that. To be clear, i wasnt judging anyone. I just know in NFL Live, you cant just draft 1-7 rds every year and sign a few FAs and be the champion. It wont happen
    Today at 01:52:08 PM
  • Jwalkerjr88: Trading isnt easy. But neither is winning
    Today at 01:52:22 PM
  • Jwalkerjr88: If you made a list of the most aggressive gms to have stepped foot in nfl live, you will notice the champions will be among them
    Today at 01:53:06 PM
  • Jwalkerjr88: You arent gonna win every trade and you HAVE to have a plan. Ive made some horrible trades. I have every year
    Today at 01:53:50 PM
  • Jwalkerjr88: Carolina has kyren williams right now cause i traded him for a 2nd and a 4th. Id rather have kyren today lol
    Today at 01:54:28 PM
  • Brent: Agreed.  I have Amon Ra St. Brown and Aiyuk because I traded JJ.  I couldn't have acquired a player like ASB where I was picking in the 1st so I down tiered at WR to make a trio of Chase, ASB and Aiyuk instead of JJ, Chase and fill in the blank.
    Today at 02:09:02 PM
  • ldsjayhawk: That is probably even more true in baseball since your drafts don't payoff for 5 years or so.  And I will admit my conservatism may be the reason I only have one championship here at ProFSL
    Today at 02:10:04 PM
  • BayAreaBallers: jwalkerjr88 is right
    Today at 02:25:49 PM
  • BayAreaBallers: on that u havat trade a bit here and there
    Today at 02:25:57 PM
  • BayAreaBallers: although my last draft class and fa class kinda lead me to a run so it can happen
    Today at 02:27:21 PM