Rule change vote #2 (Prospect extension discount reduction)

[Rob]

See the most recent thread by Gypsie for background.

[WestCoastExpress]

Is this one just a feeler?

Tough to really lock in a vote if there's no set number

Both for % of normal re-sign value,

and more importantly years on the prospect contract. 3? Or stick with 5?

Or is this just to get a yes/no, and then figure out the % and number of years?

Either way I'm on board for a change.

[Rob]

Is this one just a feeler?

Tough to really lock in a vote if there's no set number

Both for % of normal re-sign value,

and more importantly years on the prospect contract. 3? Or stick with 5?

Or is this just to get a yes/no, and then figure out the % and number of years?

Either way I'm on board for a change.

There's more to flesh out on this one for sure.  Not quite just a feeler, but, we've been spitting change ideas out there without anything really coming to fruition in a while - and there was a lot of good input on this subject, even though I disagree and voted NO WAY! heh.... I wanted to make sure these things get the proper viewage and consideration from the league.  And if enough people are on board we'll start discussing the most effective way to do it.

[WestCoastExpress]

Yeah, it's a discussion topic for sure. Maybe not changing the percentage, but lowering it from 5 years to say 3 would be a happy medium.

Because, we get our prospects for what, 3 seasons is it if they play a full year the first year? (ie. Nico Hichier is in his 3rd year in the league, and contract expires after this year).

That would come out to 3 years on the min., plus 3 years at a highly discounted rate before going onto a full-fledged re-sign.

Even if the player hits prime fantasy output in their 3rd year, that gives you 4 total years of solid production at a reduced cost. Plenty of time/big enough window to build a championship team.

[Rob]

Yeah, it's a discussion topic for sure. Maybe not changing the percentage, but lowering it from 5 years to say 3 would be a happy medium.

Because, we get our prospects for what, 3 seasons is it if they play a full year the first year? (ie. Nico Hichier is in his 3rd year in the league, and contract expires after this year).

That would come out to 3 years on the min., plus 3 years at a highly discounted rate before going onto a full-fledged re-sign.

Even if the player hits prime fantasy output in their 3rd year, that gives you 4 total years of solid production at a reduced cost. Plenty of time/big enough window to build a championship team.

I just don't see a problem with it overall.  Our FA pool is fairly representative.  I think it's pretty good.  If the end goal is forcing more players into FA, at this point, I think our cap adjustments have helped that scene.  The benefits to rebuilding teams are too great.  No need to change this at all.

[Rob]

I just don't see a problem with it overall.  Our FA pool is fairly representative.  I think it's pretty good.  If the end goal is forcing more players into FA, at this point, I think our cap adjustments have helped that scene.  The benefits to rebuilding teams are too great.  No need to change this at all.

Though it's not all about FA for some, to be fair.  It's about realism, since some of these prospects are making half as much here as they are in the NHL.

[WestCoastExpress]

Though it's not all about FA for some, to be fair.  It's about realism, since some of these prospects are making half as much here as they are in the NHL.

I'm interested to see what the RFA's will sign for in the real NHL in the next couple of months.

Starting with Marner of course, but also Point, Boeser, Laine, Connor, etc.

All of those guys are up for extensions next season I believe and with the discount, would max out around what, $5m-$5.5m? That would be max level though, and I could see them maybe in the $4.5m range really.
Marner might be the only one at the high end as I see him being the top producer out of all those guys (that is, if he signs before the season starts and gets in a training camp).

That said, we do have 30 roster spots here versus 23 in the real NHL, so that factors in as well. As much as we all search for it, it's tough to find 7 guys making the min. contract value of $0.5m, or even the min. before cut-off at $0.9m. Even still, 7 guys at $0.9m is still $6.3m in cap space.

So I do see your point.

[shooter47]

I'm interested to see what the RFA's will sign for in the real NHL in the next couple of months.

Starting with Marner of course, but also Point, Boeser, Laine, Connor, etc.

All of those guys are up for extensions next season I believe and with the discount, would max out around what, $5m-$5.5m? That would be max level though, and I could see them maybe in the $4.5m range really.
Marner might be the only one at the high end as I see him being the top producer out of all those guys (that is, if he signs before the season starts and gets in a training camp).

That said, we do have 30 roster spots here versus 23 in the real NHL, so that factors in as well. As much as we all search for it, it's tough to find 7 guys making the min. contract value of $0.5m, or even the min. before cut-off at $0.9m. Even still, 7 guys at $0.9m is still $6.3m in cap space.

So I do see your point.

Boeser was the 33rd ranked RW. The 33rd ranked RW in the NHL in 2019-2020 is going to be paid $4.6m. This means Boeser's floor for prospect extension next offseason is $3.2m. This could go up based on how he does this year.

[jmtrops]

I just signed Marner with the discount for 5.8M

[shooter47]

I just signed Marner with the discount for 5.8M

Noted. I removed him from the players I looked at above. I didn't check to see if any of these guys were on prospect contracts in DNHL. Just went with who WestCost listed.