Minnesota/Toronto Trade

[Lindner]

:MIN: gives:
P - Julio Teheran

:TOR: gives:
P - Noah Syndergaard
OF - Ronald Guzman
P - Taylor Guerrieri
OF - Phillips Castillo
2nd round pick (2012)

[Lindner]

Teheran is a stud, but I think I get a ton of talent in this deal.

Syndergaard and Guerrieri alone could be a pair of #2's in my rotation (Guerrieri has more upside than that, too).  Guzman and Castillo have a ton of upside.  The 2nd rounder will be nice too.

[Fourfingerwoo]

Rethinking my tactics in Armchair, I think I'm ready to compete in the AL east now. This along with the Castro/Cashner/LIddi additions go a long way to improving my chances, while acquiring players I have long term control of.

[ldsjayhawk]

 :iatp:

[Sportsnut]

I personally think this trade is way too one-sided. 

Toronto is giving up Syndergaard - chosen is 1.5 round, #6 rated Fangraph, #7 in BA in bountiful Jays system.
+ Guerrieri, drafted in 1st round, is #3 rated Fangraphs, #4 in BA in bountiful Jays system.
 + Guzman is a highly desired young player, our Toronto owner paid $25,000,000 for him.
+ Castillo is another desired young player
+ a second round pick in upcoming draft.

All for a #1 ranked pitcher in Braves system, not a ++ strikeout pitcher, and was hit pretty good in his one big league audition.  A great talent to be sure, but IMO, the Jays are giving up way too much for him.

My recommendation:  :veto:

[Lindner]

I hardly think that this deal is vetoable.  I'm getting 4 guys who are all pretty unproven for the most part.  I'm giving up a guy who has proven it for years at high levels and profiles to be a future ace.

Syndergaard is pitching in A-ball right now.
Castillo was in rookie-ball last year and will probably be there again this year.
Guerrieri hasn't even played pro-ball yet.
Guzman hasn't played pro-ball yet either.

I get these guys and a second-rounder for Julio Teheran who is widely considered one of the best pitching prospects in baseball.  He dominated Triple-A as a 20 year old and got a taste of the Majors that same year.

and was hit pretty good in his one big league audition

To use one start at the Major League level at the age of 20 to evaluate a player's future is a poor strategy.  Teheran has proven himself already.  None of the other guys in this deal have (excluding Snydergaard).

Not to mention :TOR: is looking to compete relatively soon.  This trade helps them achieve their goal.

[Lindner]

Well, this deal has been on the floor for 5 days now and our highly active Trade Committee has made one vote:

 :iatp::    ONE

      :veto::         ZERO

[PlayerX3D]

 :iatp:

For good measure

[Lindner]

Please send:

:TOR: Noah Syndergaard to Triple-A
:TEX: Ronald Guzman to DSL Twins
:TB: Taylor Guerrieri to Elizabethtown Twins
:SEA: Phillips Castillo to Elizabethtown Twins

[speedster18431]

I personally think this trade is way too one-sided. 

Toronto is giving up Syndergaard - chosen is 1.5 round, #6 rated Fangraph, #7 in BA in bountiful Jays system.
+ Guerrieri, drafted in 1st round, is #3 rated Fangraphs, #4 in BA in bountiful Jays system.
 + Guzman is a highly desired young player, our Toronto owner paid $25,000,000 for him.
+ Castillo is another desired young player
+ a second round pick in upcoming draft.

All for a #1 ranked pitcher in Braves system, not a ++ strikeout pitcher, and was hit pretty good in his one big league audition.  A great talent to be sure, but IMO, the Jays are giving up way too much for him.

My recommendation:  :veto:

I agree with you sportsnut this trade is one sided and my recommendation is also  :veto: and that would make it 2 vetos