Free Agency Begins January 17th, 12pm CST

[Jss0062]

This thread regarding only 2 bids (following the initial bid) should be over in the transactions board.  It's nowhere in the following threads:

http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=131563.0
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=131562.0

Thanks.

It's just a proposal at this point.

[chrisetc21]

Yes, just a proposal for 2015 free agency.  At some point before the season I will write it up, ask for thoughts, make any corrections, and we will vote on it.

[chrisetc21]

The more we see how Free Agency plays out in here the more inclined I am to promote changing the bidding to what we've discussed. 

[ThePetis]

The more we see how Free Agency plays out in here the more inclined I am to promote changing the bidding to what we've discussed.

Agreed, some changes are necessary just to speed it up and stop the minimal raises.

[haseloff]

I think 2 bids is personally too low.  I would never nominate a guy unless the nomination didn't count toward the 2 limit.  At that point I'd just wait until everyone else put some bids in and bid on him late into the week when I still had available bids left.  This would lead to a longer, more drawn out bidding process as people conserve there bids until as long as possible (which punishes and disincentivises early bidders who get player up to near-market value).

The market gets them up to market value pretty quickly.  Votto was opened at $25M and made it to $110M in a few hours, almost market value.  The delays come when people wait until the 47th hour to rebid.  I've counted down the minutes twice with a few of my bids only to see the 48hour clock start over.

I'm also not a fan of a manager having only 4 leading bids (especially when we get into pitching category where some owners with bad inherited rosters need to make up a lot of ground).  If we limit everyone to only 4 leading bids then it will definitely take longer for bidding on players to get up to market value faster (the problem we are trying to fix by limiting to only 2 bids per player above).  The rule should be that you can bid on every player you're interested in as long as the max of all outstanding winning bids is less than your cap.  I have a spreadsheet that has my winning bids so I know how much I'm on the hook for if I win all open bids.  Easy stuff.

To illustrate this, I would love to raise bids on Morneau and Votto right now but I have to wait until Sat night and Sun morning when I won't be leading more than 4 bids.  This means delays the bidding on both players since they won't get a new 48hour clock until Sunday (instead of now). 

Just thoughts.

[chrisetc21]

These are the proposed rule changes.

a) Two bids per owner per player after the initial bid/thread has been created.  The first bid from the initial post does count against your bid limit.

b) If your first bid is not the initial bid you must place your first bid of your two bid limit within 24 hours of the initial bid.  You will not be allowed to bid on the player if you do not bid within the first 24 hours.

What we need is a time mechanism so that the bidding after 24 hours doesn't get drawn out.  Something like the winning bid, which may be the initial bid or your first bid or second bid depending on the bidding, must be placed within 48 hours of the initial bid. 

This should put a time cap on bidding and give people plenty of time to put their bids in to win the player. 

[chrisetc21]

I think 2 bids is personally too low.  I would never nominate a guy unless the nomination didn't count toward the 2 limit.  At that point I'd just wait until everyone else put some bids in and bid on him late into the week when I still had available bids left.  This would lead to a longer, more drawn out bidding process as people conserve there bids until as long as possible (which punishes and disincentivises early bidders who get player up to near-market value).

With a time limit, whether you had the initial bid or not wouldn't really matter. 

The market gets them up to market value pretty quickly.  Votto was opened at $25M and made it to $110M in a few hours, almost market value.  The delays come when people wait until the 47th hour to rebid.  I've counted down the minutes twice with a few of my bids only to see the 48hour clock start over.

The new system would change all of that.  There'd be no bumping bids at the last minute to start all over again. 

I'm also not a fan of a manager having only 4 leading bids (especially when we get into pitching category where some owners with bad inherited rosters need to make up a lot of ground).  If we limit everyone to only 4 leading bids then it will definitely take longer for bidding on players to get up to market value faster (the problem we are trying to fix by limiting to only 2 bids per player above).  The rule should be that you can bid on every player you're interested in as long as the max of all outstanding winning bids is less than your cap.  I have a spreadsheet that has my winning bids so I know how much I'm on the hook for if I win all open bids.  Easy stuff.

So me with my $97 million to spend should be allowed to post 50 pitchers at one time?  Who's going to track and process all of those transactions? 

To illustrate this, I would love to raise bids on Morneau and Votto right now but I have to wait until Sat night and Sun morning when I won't be leading more than 4 bids.  This means delays the bidding on both players since they won't get a new 48hour clock until Sunday (instead of now). 

If you're going to use an example at least make it accurate.   

[chrisetc21]

These are the proposed rule changes.

a) Two bids per owner per player after the initial bid/thread has been created.  The first bid from the initial post does count against your bid limit.

b) If your first bid is not the initial bid you must place your first bid of your two bid limit within 24 hours of the initial bid.  You will not be allowed to bid on the player if you do not bid within the first 24 hours.

What we need is a time mechanism so that the bidding after 24 hours doesn't get drawn out.  Something like the winning bid, which may be the initial bid or your first bid or second bid depending on the bidding, must be placed within 48 hours of the initial bid. 

This should put a time cap on bidding and give people plenty of time to put their bids in to win the player.

I think the initial bidder should have some sort of advantage.  Maybe the initial bidder 48 hours to make his final bid.  Secondary bidders get 24 to make their second bids.  Limit initial bids to four bids per owner at one time.  Unlimited winning bids.

[haseloff]

If you're going to use an example at least make it accurate.

Earliest closing bids:

Yesterday at 01:44:37 AM
by haseloff
will close Saturday

Today at 12:18:24 AM
by haseloff
will close Sunday

I am currently high bid on Soto, Pacheco, Choi and Pena.  I would also like to be in on Abrea, Votto, Morneau and Callaspo.  I will not be bidding on them (thus extending the 48hr window) until Saturday and Sunday. 


A question on how the 2-bid system would work:
I want in on Player A so I place a bid within the first 24 hours.  If I really want him, why would I place my second and final bid unless I login at the 47hr 59min mark.  I'd risk getting outbid.  If only myself and 3 others made the inital 24hour bid, I'd just wait during the second 24hour window until the other 3 placed bids and bid 500k more (or 5m, etc). 

[haseloff]

I think the initial bidder should have some sort of advantage.  Maybe the initial bidder 48 hours to make his final bid.  Secondary bidders get 24 to make their second bids.  Limit initial bids to four bids per owner at one time.  Unlimited winning bids.

This would heavily favor the moderators who get to post "FA open for SP" then immediately post 4 SP opening bids.  If the opening bidder gets 'final snipe ability', that prevents people who are willing to pay more from getting the player (thus the player doesn't get the best deal).