Trade: COL/LAD

[lp815]

After reading through all the posts, I will veto this trade under the terms that the Rockies were unfamiliar with the rules at this time, and misunderstood the arrangements on A.J. Burnett's contract.

[fantasyguru]

I go to work after this 2nd trade and it's a short novel on bashing the TC and indirectly calling me out which is fine. The 2 week rule is fine and I did say I was not going to trade early to get a feel for the team. I rejected about 10 bad to terrible offers already before I did these 2 deals. Yes, the former Rock owner did tell me upfront about Burnett, Castro, everything, but I forgot how expensive Hart and the others will get in 2013. I did not know about Burnett and I can dump him for 60% next year and the next year.

I am just going to set my lineup and ask Colby, Corey etc. questions like others have to get a feel for this league. Obviously, hitters are worth much more and MI apparently are the cream of the crop. I got it. I did not try to create such a ruckus lol, but here we are. I will turn down each trade offer and I suspect that within 2 weeks from now, I will better understand the unique setup of this league. I don't mind people calling me out as I know im the noob, but the TC is in place for a reason. It's not my fault I don't think ahead like everyone else does just yet as I just joined 2 days ago. I will pick it up and my next trade will be much better. I am not going anywhere as this team is sweet and this league is awesome. Who in their right mind would leave? FGM is a step up from other leagues although some rules in New Era mimic these. Bottom line, let's just move on with the league and forget the BS that I created unknowingly lol. I will be better off with the 2 week rule, my next trades will be better, and the league can go on.

[Needle Juice]

I veto this trade for the health of the league.  Adding Burnett makes this reasonable, but I disapprove for the several reasons:

Reid stated in a post that he was going to take his time and not deal players away, but take his time.  He has sense tried to toss his two very valuable MIs away.

Also, I believe that a new GM is being taken advantage of, if in several weeks, this trade is agreed upon, I will reconsider.

Tulo is one of the premiere players in this league and I believe that more time should be taken before dealing him.

[guak2005]

I will again insist that we need a grace period in which a team who switched franchises is not allowed to make trades with his previous team. We all build our franchises trying to acquire our favorite players and if we agree to switch teams we have to be aware of the cost it represents. I propose that we implement as a rule that when an owner switches franchises he cannot trade with his previous team for at least a month or we will be having these issues every time an owner changes teams.

Regarding the two-week rule, I believe it is still in place, just that everyone forgot about it when ltd joined and started making all those trades early on.

I for one envy COL with Pedroia and Tulo at MI, it just doesn't get any better than that. I don't really understand why the new owner would want to get rid of them. But if he is so adamant in trading away one of his stars, I would like to see fair value given.

Evaluating the trade, it seems to me like it will bring even more cap woes to the Rockies than they currently have. Releasing Burnett will give them a very small future cap hit, so this is not as big a salary cap drop as it may seem. In fact, as was pointed out, the resign values of the players acquired are larger than the cap drop. Regarding player value, Tulo is definitely worth more than Castro, Hart (on the bench) and Marcum, especially with that contract, which is definitely a top three, comparable only to Longoria's and Braun's as was stated above. If the salary dump was real I would approve this trade since getting rid of such a bad contract is very difficult, but with all the money payed by the Yankees in Burnett's contract it just doesn't add up.

As a final point, I would like to point out that it is getting exhausting to have to read all of the ranting and insults thrown at the TC for trying to preserve the integrity of the league. Each trade is evaluated in similar fashion and we try to be as consistent as possible. We are all human, so it is possible that we make mistakes, but in general I believe the same line of   If some owners are mad with the way trades are treated in this league, feel free to join another league. I am sure there are plenty of people in the ProFSL community who would like a team of their own in Franchise GM.

[BHows]

MI Tulowitzki, Troy, $5m (2014)
RP Adam, Jason, $0.5m (P-n/a)
CI Cuthbert, Cheslor, $0.5m (P-n/a),
SP Burnett, A.J., $16.5m (2013)

for

MI Castro, Starlin, $5m (2012)
OF Hart, Corey, $2m (2012)
SP Marcum, Shaun, $4.5m (2012)


COL to confirm.

This deal will probably be scrutized as well. Here is what COL is getting:
-  20M contract in AJ Burnett off his hand, freeing money to re-sign Bruce and Bucholz
- Castro is a MI with a very good potential. He also has a very nice contract in that he can extended for 4 more years at 5.5M per year
- Hart is very useful (albeit volatile) OF
- Marcum is a top 30 Sp signed through next year at a reasonable rate.

I'm not on the TC but this trade is a sham. The vulchers are circling Denver 'Guru, you need to cover up and protect yourself.

[BHows]

MI Tulowitzki, Troy, $5m (2014)
RP Adam, Jason, $0.5m (P-n/a)
CI Cuthbert, Cheslor, $0.5m (P-n/a),
SP Burnett, A.J., $16.5m (2013)

for

MI Castro, Starlin, $5m (2012)
OF Hart, Corey, $2m (2012)
SP Marcum, Shaun, $4.5m (2012)


COL to confirm.

This deal will probably be scrutized as well. Here is what COL is getting:
-  20M contract in AJ Burnett off his hand, freeing money to re-sign Bruce and Bucholz
- Castro is a MI with a very good potential. He also has a very nice contract in that he can extended for 4 more years at 5.5M per year
- Hart is very useful (albeit volatile) OF
- Marcum is a top 30 Sp signed through next year at a reasonable rate.
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[bravesfan4]

my stance would be the same. In 95% of the leagues Ped for Grienke would be fair. but in our scoring system there is a big difference. Both deals are vetoable and we need to stick to the 2 week policy.

[h4cheng]

had I not spoken up in the Pedoria deal, would this deal have gone through?

Seems like a lot of the chatter is about that..

[bravesfan4]

Since my opinion has been brought up, I do not think its fair. A new gm is being taken advantage of. Tulo almost equals the production of all 3.

[Dan Wood]

Is the two week rule in place, as Ben asked?

Not sure... it wasn't when LTD took over