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ProFSL Front Office => MLB DYNASTY GM HOME => $$ Money Ball => Topic started by: Jon on January 08, 2025, 08:36:42 PM
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Post any questions you may have and someone will give an answer
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League settings indicate a maximum IP limit of 78 per scoring period. On the last day of the scoring period I am at 72 IP. One of my relievers throws 4 innings of mop-up. One of my starters gets sent out on 4 days rest and tosses 5 innings. This puts me over the 78 IP limit.
How is this penalty applied?
Under minor league roster eligibility is the following statement:
"If a player in the minors exceeds the limit, they can remain there indefinitely"
The language surrounding this text suggests that players may remain on the minor league roster after they have exceeded rookie eligibility.
Request clarification / confirmation on when a rookie must be a forced called up.
Thank You
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It?s like any other league on Fantrax that as these settings. Once you hit the inninings pitched in a week you will not accrue any points. Fantrax will show that on your team page that you?ve reached maximum innings pitched
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League settings indicate a maximum IP limit of 78 per scoring period. On the last day of the scoring period I am at 72 IP. One of my relievers throws 4 innings of mop-up. One of my starters gets sent out on 4 days rest and tosses 5 innings. This puts me over the 78 IP limit.
How is this penalty applied?
Under minor league roster eligibility is the following statement:
"If a player in the minors exceeds the limit, they can remain there indefinitely"
The language surrounding this text suggests that players may remain on the minor league roster after they have exceeded rookie eligibility.
Request clarification / confirmation on when a rookie must be a forced called up.
Thank You
Yup, as Jon said the team just stops accruing stats once you hit the limit.
On your second question. A player might hit the 50gp/40ip threshold while in your Minor league roster. You are not required to call up a player like this. You can leave him there. Once you do call him up, he can't be sent back down. Fantrax will tell you your roster is illegal in this situation, but we've set it up so there's no penalty - you won't stop accruing stats.
There's certain strategy to doing this - you might not want him on your MLB roster until he pans out. Some prospects take longer than others to hit their stride in the MLB. Also, rebuilding teams can stash young talent to keep from having to start on their MLB roster and accrue stats that do them no good competitively, yet drive down their draft position. A form of legal tanking. It's helpful to have this mechanism in a deep dynasty league like this. We'll have rosters that need TLC over the years and GM's that drop out. We need new GM's that take over teams in the future to have tools to rebuild their rosters. Otherwise league balance will get wonky.
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Correction - it won't tell you your roster is illegal, just a roster alert at the top telling you what players are over the limit.
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Just pay attention to your roster. Fantrax will tell you what you need to do. You?re asking great questions. Keep em coming
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Sorry to beat a dead horse here, and maybe I need another gallon of coffee.
If I'm under the IP limit before the start of the last game,,,
At this point it seems reasonable that I would not receive notification of exceeding any limits.
Are you guys saying no pitching points will accrue that day if I end up exceeding the IP cap?
Perhaps I started the day with 49, 60, or 77. But ultimately pass the cap during the last day. Or will the system record all point if under the limit at roster time? There is actually a lot of conflicting answers floating around.
It matters because if you are under prior to the last lineup change, and the system records that days points, one could feasibly pile on a stack of pitchers.
If it doesn't, how would the system decide which points to ignore? It's entirely possible you could enter the final day of the scoring period with 49 points and have to leave 29 innings on the table for fear of going over the cap.
Any further insight is appreciated - this will be my last question on the matter for fear of a mental breakdown:)
Thanks,
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Here's how the rule is stated on Fantrax:
All hitters or pitchers, depending on the scoring category exceeded, will stop accumulating stats for the rest of the scoring period. If the max has not been met or exceeded at the beginning of a day, stats will accumulate throughout that entire day, even if the max is exceeded. Note that ALL pitchers includes both SP and RP. For example, if a max is exceeded for Relief Appearances, stats will stop accumulating lost for the scoring period for Relief Pitchers (RP) as well as Starting Pitchers (SP).
So if you have any IP left at the start of the day, you'll get stats from all pitchers that day.
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Sorry to beat a dead horse here, and maybe I need another gallon of coffee.
If I'm under the IP limit before the start of the last game,,,
At this point it seems reasonable that I would not receive notification of exceeding any limits.
Are you guys saying no pitching points will accrue that day if I end up exceeding the IP cap?
Perhaps I started the day with 49, 60, or 77. But ultimately pass the cap during the last day. Or will the system record all point if under the limit at roster time? There is actually a lot of conflicting answers floating around.
It matters because if you are under prior to the last lineup change, and the system records that days points, one could feasibly pile on a stack of pitchers.
If it doesn't, how would the system decide which points to ignore? It's entirely possible you could enter the final day of the scoring period with 49 points and have to leave 29 innings on the table for fear of going over the cap.
Any further insight is appreciated - this will be my last question on the matter for fear of a mental breakdown:)
Thanks,
From my experience because it is live scoring as soon as your player hits the limit you stop receiving points. That is based on my experience with Fantrax Live scoring
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More context:
IMPORTANT NOTE: If and when any Maximum is met, all stats will count for all players for the entire day on which the Maximum is met. Therefore, it is very possible for any Maximum you set to be exceeded without penalty. If you want to disallow those extra stats above the maximum, you can either manually override any player's stats or team's scores via Commissioner Options, or you can retroactively remove the player(s) that obtained stats past the maximum(s).
We won't be making any manual adustments.
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More context:
We won't be making any manual adustments.
Boom!
I had a hunch that was probably the case. Always a loophole to squeeze out a few more points. Now to plot and scheme my way to 77 IP prior to the last day of scoring. Wait - I mean "strategize":)
Thanks for digging that info up. I won't be the last person to ask.
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Boom!
I had a hunch that was probably the case. Always a loophole to squeeze out a few more points. Now to plot and scheme my way to 77 IP prior to the last day of scoring. Wait - I mean "strategize":)
Thanks for digging that info up. I won't be the last person to ask.
Hey, winners always find a way to get an advantage. Can you tell I'm a Pats fan? :D
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winners always try to find a way to make the rules work to there advantage. Play ball
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30 MLB teams carry 26 active players each; giving us a pool of 780 active players to use.
Our current roster setup for the entire league will hold up to 1200. (Disregarding minors for the purpose of this query).
Initially we are all on equal footing. As the league matures- trades, signings, and waivers will occur.
Once teams start backfilling their 40 man rosters with spot starters, backup catchers, etc. their ends up not being enough players to go around. (1200 roster spots, 780 active MLB)
Aren't we basically asking 10 teams to "tank" the season each year? 20 full rosters wipes out the active MLB pool. It might not happen immediately, but over time it seems inevitable.
My concern would be that people lose interest if they can barely field a starting lineup. If such a team is later abandoned, it's a hard sell to a new owner.
Perhaps after the inaguaral season we trim down to 25 man rosters? Allow expansion to 40 during the off-season? Some other variations? Enhanced roster restrictions to allow everyone equal chance to field a full team for the long term?
Would love to hear anyone's thoughts on the matter.
I think leadership is doing a great job. I'm not asking for a rule change. But perhaps a discussion at some point to ensure a strong, healthy league.
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30 MLB teams carry 26 active players each; giving us a pool of 780 active players to use.
Our current roster setup for the entire league will hold up to 1200. (Disregarding minors for the purpose of this query).
Initially we are all on equal footing. As the league matures- trades, signings, and waivers will occur.
Once teams start backfilling their 40 man rosters with spot starters, backup catchers, etc. their ends up not being enough players to go around. (1200 roster spots, 780 active MLB)
Aren't we basically asking 10 teams to "tank" the season each year? 20 full rosters wipes out the active MLB pool. It might not happen immediately, but over time it seems inevitable.
My concern would be that people lose interest if they can barely field a starting lineup. If such a team is later abandoned, it's a hard sell to a new owner.
Perhaps after the inaguaral season we trim down to 25 man rosters? Allow expansion to 40 during the off-season? Some other variations? Enhanced roster restrictions to allow everyone equal chance to field a full team for the long term?
Would love to hear anyone's thoughts on the matter.
I think leadership is doing a great job. I'm not asking for a rule change. But perhaps a discussion at some point to ensure a strong, healthy league.
If you're a team that dumps starting players to the point where you can't field a full starting roster, then clearly you're in rebuild mode and are looking for the lowest stat output possible. To get back on the map on the rebuild turnaround, yes you would have to do some work via trades and FA to pry starting players off of deep teams.
I don't think anyone is going to want to pay real market value for bench players. This isn't like NHL or NBA where they play half as many games and teams have staggered schedules. You're almost always going to be starting your best players. Therefore depth lineup players should generally be young up and comers or cheap contracts (older players, those coming off injury, etc). An value of depth pitching is diminished by the IP cap. If depth players turn into solid producers, they gotta get paid. So I do think these players will end up on the market in some form or fashion.
Also, in 2024, over 1,400 players put up MLB stats. Yes it's true that at any given time there's around 750-800 active players. But with injuries, call-ups, expanded rosters in the late season, etc - I still think there will be enough depth to go around. Especially since those teams that are in the bottom now aren't going to stack their teams with depth, they're going to stack them with prospects.
Also, we're discussing reducing the minor league roster size to force more good talent into our draft. If we do that I think you'll see many teams using at least 5 or so MLB roster spots for prospect overflow.
And moreover - these rules are not the US Constitution. If we find over time that we need to make adjustments to help encourage balance then we will do that. I've been running my Dynasty NHL league for 14 years and our ruleset looks a lot different than when we started. We address issues as they come and try to adjust to what's best for the longterm health of the league.
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well said @Rob
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When the owners have a chance to draft or add minor leaguers?
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When the owners have a chance to draft or add minor leaguers?
1 year from now in our first Amateur Draft.
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In a situation like Keibert Ruiz, I assume the extension salary would be the $6,250,000 AAV regardless of whether the in-year salary is higher or lower. Do I have that right?
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/player/_/id/28153/keibert-ruiz
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In a situation like Keibert Ruiz, I assume the extension salary would be the $6,250,000 AAV regardless of whether the in-year salary is higher or lower. Do I have that right?
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/player/_/id/28153/keibert-ruiz
Correct. That extension would be $6,250,000 (2033).