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Fantasy Leagues => Franchise GM: Transactions => Franchise GM => MLB Leagues => Franchise GM: Invalid Transactions => Topic started by: Colby on February 01, 2010, 09:56:30 AM
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Our current system involves doing some type of roto draft (via chat applet with pre-rankings) here at MLFB in the fall. It may be better to go with a system that supports our slow bid format. I propose an auction bank for an entry draft where the amount in your bank is based on where you finished the prior year.
Within this proposal, I am also proposing adding 5 spots per year to the EDR until it hits 20 spots in 2012 or 2013.
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Colby I like that idea. I was also thinking that everyone should have the same amount of money for Prospects and Draft Picks, say 20 mil. I mean think about it. Right now we sign prospects and DPs from our roster budget. In real life MLB teams use a completely different pile of money to do this. Maybe we get something like an additional 20 mil for DPs and FA prospects. That will make people choose a little more wiser that using the contra spread fire method of signing prospect FAs.
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I do agree, what if a GM is not around for this process, thats a problem!
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I do agree, what if a GM is not around for this process, thats a problem!
This is why I feel having a slow draft from an auction bank may be the best way. We could put certain values to each and every "pick" so that everyone's picks would be valid still.
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How would you do the money situation. Last place would have more then the World Series Champ, right? I think that would be the only way to do this!
But I definatly like what we are doing with the draft this season? It just feels like its more real. So if it was up to me I would see keep what we have!
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How would you do the money situation. Last place would have more then the World Series Champ, right? I think that would be the only way to do this!
But I definatly like what we are doing with the draft this season? It just feels like its more real. So if it was up to me I would see keep what we have!
The money wouldn't be salaries, but come from a credit bank...
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An interesting idea, but it does not really mesh well with reality. Also, it would be a shame to scrap all of the work we put into the current Entry Draft setup to scrap it before we even give it a shot.
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I do agree, what if a GM is not around for this process, thats a problem!
We do have a plan in place for this:
How Draft Will Be Conducted
* If a team is not present for the draft / times out, and did not provide a proxy pick, they'll be awarded the next highest ranked player that they can afford.
* We would need to approve a source for ranking the players and a bonus price list - I suggest we try and consistently use the same source, but update our price list every 2-3 years to ensure it keeps up with MLB suggestions / averages
* Entry Draft will only have players who are eligible for the real life MLB Entry Draft.
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Right now we sign prospects and DPs from our roster budget. In real life MLB teams use a completely different pile of money to do this. Maybe we get something like an additional 20 mil for DPs and FA prospects. That will make people choose a little more wiser that using the contra spread fire method of signing prospect FAs.
MLB teams don't necessarily publish their budgets including their farm system, but the money all comes from the same place. If an MLB team breaks the bank on a big free agent, MLB doesn't give them some money to go pay for draft bonuses...
Our required bonuses based on pre-draft ranking are published in the rules - teams are able to (and encouraged to) review them and plan accordingly to save budget room for the draft.
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MLB teams don't necessarily publish their budgets including their farm system, but the money all comes from the same place. If an MLB team breaks the bank on a big free agent, MLB doesn't give them some money to go pay for draft bonuses...
Our required bonuses based on pre-draft ranking are published in the rules - teams are able to (and encouraged to) review them and plan accordingly to save budget room for the draft.
This is very true, that it comes from the same organization. But, MLB teams have been cited time and time again to "putting more money into scouting and drafting"(paraphrasing). We don't have that, we have a set budget of what our teams 40 man roster is. Using Cott's salaries correct? So on your particular team where was the money for Brett Lawrie's signing bonus? Or for me, where was Mike Leake's signing bonus, or whoever the hell they drafted the year before. It isn't there because we are playing with a specific set of numbers, and trying to encompass all aspects of an operational baseball club. Teams set aside a certain amount of money for draft and international signings. So my thought is we should all just have a certain amount of money for the draft, and that is that. And as far as what you responded to my other idea - low market teams going after signability guys, is yes sometimes true but not always. Rays went after Tim Beckham, Nats - Strasburgh, Reds paid 30 mil for Chapman, Twins signed Sano, A's paid Stassi a lot of money for a 4th round pick. So a 40 man roster salary and the spending capabilities or an organization are not the same things. You want to make it more authentic, then each team should have money for the draft that is separate from their 40 man roster budget. Who wants to spend 6 mil on a pick when you can spend 2 mil on an already established prospect? I like Colby's thinking, and I also like just making them people you draft in you designated spot. Thank you, straight to the edr. It makes it simpler that way. I however don't really like the way it stands now, and it is a waste of money for many teams that don't have that much. Myself included. I mean the Marlins and Padres can't even buy a cup of coffee at the moment. I'm all for reality, but the reality is that lower market teams have leveled the playing field in the prospecting market, and the way things stand now, that is not represented.
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We may as well try the current system for 2010 and see how it goes. Ben brings some good points to the table. We could always make it so the 1st round is slow with a 24 hour window for each pick. I imagine with our 30 active GMs that it would go quick (two weeks).
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If the problem is that our budgets do not reflect what a real MLB budget actually is, then I don't necessarily disagree. However, I don't think splitting up the money is a great idea - teams should be responsible for allocating their money properly.
We already have plans to consider inflation of budgets as the years progress. I would propose we re-evaluate budgets at the end of this season and see if we need a bigger hike to account for the problems being addressed here.
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Yes, that would be my argument. I tend to get carried away sometimes. I do not feel that the budgets we have represent what our real life counterparts have. I do agree that teams are responsible for their own budgets. All I am saying is that we are working with less of the pie then our counterparts. Meaning our team's budget is a representation of our MLB teams 40 man roster would have been as of last year. But, my argument is that MLB organizations have separate funds for things such as signing bonuses for amateur players. That is something I feel is lacking in our Franchise GM world. From what I can gather, the point of all the hard work that you guys have put in so far, is to get the closest facsimile of a real life MLB team. I just happen to think this is a part that is lacking. I think it puts teams in a tough spot when it comes to signing draft picks. I think the bad teams should get the best available players. But when you have a budget of 50 mil, it makes it difficult to sign someone to a 7 million signing bonus if that money is coming from a fund that is meant for active players. Because that is going to be another year where that team can't compete, because funds are being spent elsewhere, when normally those funds wouldn't come from there. I honestly hope this makes sense. I am not trying to rattle cages or anything like that. So I don't know if you guys agree with my POV, but I think it is something we should consider for the future of this league. Who wants to be bad and then have to sign some scrub prospect because you have no money in your 40 man budget? Well anyone outside of Dave Littlefield... ZING
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I think this is a dead issue. The remaining issue is when and how do we do the draft? The original idea was to do it in a chat room. I can implement a chat room in different parts of MLFB.
Another idea was to do an autodraft based on prerankings submitted by each GM.
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I think this is a dead issue. The remaining issue is when and how do we do the draft? The original idea was to do it in a chat room. I can implement a chat room in different parts of MLFB.
Another idea was to do an autodraft based on prerankings submitted by each GM.
First - a chat room would be great if you could add that for general purposes...
I'd vote for a slow draft on the board with time limits, where we'll still have in-draft control but be most flexible to the 30 different schedules we'll need to juggled.
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First - a chat room would be great if you could add that for general purposes...
I'd vote for a slow draft on the board with time limits, where we'll still have in-draft control but be most flexible to the 30 different schedules we'll need to juggled.
I'll agree with Ben. A longer process, but probably move effective for the league.
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What time limit do we want to impose? We could go with 24 hours for the 1st round and 12 hours for all of the following rounds.
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We have three months until the entry draft is scheduled. Let's figure out the specs of the slow draft. I would also say that a week before the entry draft, GMs must make the provisions to their roster to be ready for the draft. If they have X EDR spots available, then that is how many picks they get from their bunch. The remaining later round picks become null and void.
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Hmm...I dunno about that, Colb. I plan on signing the players I can't fit on my EDR just to my 40 man roster. I would rather not void out picks that I have earned, per se. They are just as easy to release if I decide I don't want them (to save cap, etc.), rather than not being able to draft them at all.
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Hmm...I dunno about that, Colb. I plan on signing the players I can't fit on my EDR just to my 40 man roster. I would rather not void out picks that I have earned, per se. They are just as easy to release if I decide I don't want them (to save cap, etc.), rather than not being able to draft them at all.
Excellent point... forget the void part and let's just vote on the specs. I would like to see the draft conducted in a period of three months... from June through August.
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Excellent point... forget the void part and let's just vote on the specs. I would like to see the draft conducted in a period of three months... from June through August.
3 months sounds like a good goal to reach.
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Hmm...I dunno about that, Colb. I plan on signing the players I can't fit on my EDR just to my 40 man roster. I would rather not void out picks that I have earned, per se. They are just as easy to release if I decide I don't want them (to save cap, etc.), rather than not being able to draft them at all.
I'm with Jake on this one - I may cut players currently on my EDR depending on who I'm able to grab with my picks, so I won't know until during/after the draft.
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3 months sounds like a good goal to reach.
How do we do it?
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I'd probably go with 12 hours per pick. All members here should recognize when their slot is up, or when it is about to be up, so I wouldn't expect anyone to claim they didn't have enough time, or they missed their pick.
If after 12 hours, the team automatically drafts the highest ranked prospect on whatever ranking list we decide to use.
Thoughts?
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We could alternatively say after the allotted time expires, the next team is on the clock, but the team that was skipped is free to jump in and make their pick whenever (ala NFL draft). Maybe after 3-5 picks go by without the owner jumping in, then we select the next highest available player on the board that the team can afford (if the later decide they don't want to pay the salary, the player is released to FA).
We can also strongly encourage teams to send their proxy picks into the commish when their slot is coming up, which would really speed things up.
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We could alternatively say after the allotted time expires, the next team is on the clock, but the team that was skipped is free to jump in and make their pick whenever (ala NFL draft). Maybe after 3-5 picks go by without the owner jumping in, then we select the next highest available player on the board that the team can afford (if the later decide they don't want to pay the salary, the player is released to FA).
We can also strongly encourage teams to send their proxy picks into the commish when their slot is coming up, which would really speed things up.
I like that idea... slow draft with a clock, but the missing picks can be made up for.
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I was wondering whether we would be allowed to spread the bonuses on draft picks in the same manner as many teams have chosen to do in FA. It doesn't seem right to be able to do one w/o the other.
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I was wondering whether we would be allowed to spread the bonuses on draft picks in the same manner as many teams have chosen to do in FA. It doesn't seem right to be able to do one w/o the other.
Bonuses haven't been spread out. The money was given out as a contract. Bonuses are guaranteed whereas salaries can be freed up sans any cap hits.
Anyways, we are allowing both bonuses and contracts in the draft.
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Personally I think we should hold the draft after the signing deadline in August. Making only players that have signed with teams available. I think down the road having players that opted for college, indy ball already on teams, may cause problems.
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Personally I think we should hold the draft after the signing deadline in August. Making only players that have signed with teams available. I think down the road having players that opted for college, indy ball already on teams, may cause problems.
How frequently do drafted players not play for their major league franchise? 1% of the total drafted players, 5%? I'm unfamiliar with it.
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I agree with Dan that we should have the draft in August. The official deadline for MLB picks to sign is midnight August 15th.
Recent examples of guys who did not sign with the teams that drafted them:
2008 Aaron Crow, Nationals
2008 Garrett Cole, Yankees
2009 James Paxton, Blue Jays
Much earlier examples would include J.D. Drew and Jason Varitek.
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Some guys are drafted and go to college - Brett Wallace, David Price, etc the list is very long
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I agree with Dan that we should have the draft in August. The official deadline for MLB picks to sign is midnight August 15th.
Recent examples of guys who did not sign with the teams that drafted them:
2008 Aaron Crow, Nationals
2008 Garrett Cole, Yankees
2009 James Paxton, Blue Jays
Much earlier examples would include J.D. Drew and Jason Varitek.
That is probably are biggest thing to worry about kids that stay in college instead of coming to the majors. If August 15 deadline then I think we should start the draft on that day!
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Personally I think we should hold the draft after the signing deadline in August. Making only players that have signed with teams available. I think down the road having players that opted for college, indy ball already on teams, may cause problems.
I agree...
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Probably a good move to make then. I'll confirm.
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Okay, so we are in agreement to start this on August 15th. We will conduct a slow draft with windows for when a team is on the clock for. If they don't make a pick then we could give them 72 hours to make their pick while teams ahead of them pick. This way, the draft keeps moving and the team doesn't lose the player they may want. If the team does not place a pick in time then the commissioner will draft for them according to the draft rankings list. The draft rankings list is based off of Baseball Prospectus and is used to determine market value for signing bonuses.
The only question that remains are the amount of hours in such window. There will be a maximum of 300 picks. If we had 4 hour windows then the draft would be no more than 50 days. If we had 8 hour windows then the draft would be no more than 100 days.
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Okay, so we are in agreement to start this on August 15th. We will conduct a slow draft with windows for when a team is on the clock for. If they don't make a pick then we could give them 72 hours to make their pick while teams ahead of them pick. This way, the draft keeps moving and the team doesn't lose the player they may want. If the team does not place a pick in time then the commissioner will draft for them according to the draft rankings list. The draft rankings list is based off of Baseball Prospectus and is used to determine market value for signing bonuses.
The only question that remains are the amount of hours in such window. There will be a maximum of 300 picks. If we had 4 hour windows then the draft would be no more than 50 days. If we had 8 hour windows then the draft would be no more than 100 days.
i say 8 hour window!
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A couple of thoughts here...
First, moving the draft to August has one aspect that I don't know if you considered, but I think it's interesting... The trade deadline is in July, right? So, we'll be able to release players at a lower tax :D (At least I'm happy, because I'll be able to save $1.5 extra millions releasing Brynes after the deadline and before the draft! hahaha)
Second... I don't if it's possible, but there's a basketball fantasy site, that has a very interesting draft system... The GMs can make lists, like pre-draft ranks, and update it during the draft... So, the picks are made according to the list of each GM, and goes on automaticly.. It just stops when it reaches a franchise that didn't made one "list" or run out of players... Then it starts "counting the time", if a limit is reached then it will jump and continues...
It can make a draft like ours really fast, because managers would be making picks without necessarly being online... But well.. As I said, it's a NBA fantasy... I don't know if we can find something like that into the net, or maybe even how to create something like that... Because its pretty "safe", nobody is looking at anybody else list.. And it's automatic...
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Okay, so we are in agreement to start this on August 15th. We will conduct a slow draft with windows for when a team is on the clock for. If they don't make a pick then we could give them 72 hours to make their pick while teams ahead of them pick. This way, the draft keeps moving and the team doesn't lose the player they may want. If the team does not place a pick in time then the commissioner will draft for them according to the draft rankings list. The draft rankings list is based off of Baseball Prospectus and is used to determine market value for signing bonuses.
The only question that remains are the amount of hours in such window. There will be a maximum of 300 picks. If we had 4 hour windows then the draft would be no more than 50 days. If we had 8 hour windows then the draft would be no more than 100 days.
:iatp: We would just need to make provisions for people who know they won't make their window to get lists to somebody. I am favor of the slow draft. What difference does it make how long the draft is? None of these players will be playing this year....and if they are it will be the first couple selected...
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:iatp: We would just need to make provisions for people who know they won't make their window to get lists to somebody. I am favor of the slow draft. What difference does it make how long the draft is? None of these players will be playing this year....and if they are it will be the first couple selected...
Early in this thread we were in discussion on having GMs submit some prerankings if they would like. There is no rush to get the players drafted as they won't be able to contribute until the following year. I like giving the flexibility of running to a pre-rank list, and if that is not available then they are skipped. This doesn't mean they lose their pick... they'll simply pick ASAP right after that.
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Personally I think we should hold the draft after the signing deadline in August. Making only players that have signed with teams available. I think down the road having players that opted for college, indy ball already on teams, may cause problems.
We do have provisions outlined in the rules for drafted players that do not sign with their teams - signability is a major part of the MLB draft, I think we should consider trying out the existing rules...
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I think it is best that we just figure how to do the draft. We know when and we know the rules that surround it. Currently on the table is an 8-hour window. If you do not pick within that time then the following will happen.
1) If you have a pre-rankings list, the best available player from such a list will be taken
2) Your pick is skipped... but you can come in at any time and make your pick as long as the player wasn't taken.
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I think it is best that we just figure how to do the draft. We know when and we know the rules that surround it. Currently on the table is an 8-hour window. If you do not pick within that time then the following will happen.
1) If you have a pre-rankings list, the best available player from such a list will be taken
2) Your pick is skipped... but you can come in at any time and make your pick as long as the player wasn't taken.
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I'll approve.
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We just need a start date for the draft and the specs are official as we have the votes.
August 15th sounds like a good date to me... OR we could always make it September 15th - December 15th which would fill the void left by Revenue Sharing (I am pretty sure the old process is being thrown out).
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4-0 :judge:
The draft will start on September 15th at 12:00 PM EST. Each GM will be given a maximum of eight hours to make their pick. Once you make your pick, the eight hour clock starts for the next GM. If you do not pick within that time frame then the following will happen.
1) If you had supplied the EC with a pre-rankings list, then the best available player from such a list will be taken.
2) Your pick is skipped... but you can come in at any time and make your pick as long as the player wasn't taken.