Author Topic: Thinking out loud  (Read 630 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline RyanJames5

  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Aug 2013
  • Posts: 9789
  • Bonus inPoints: 0
    • :BAL-NFL:
    • :Blank:
    • :CAR-NHL:
    • :NorthCarolina:
    • :COL-MLS:
    • :BAL:
    • View Profile
Re: Thinking out loud
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2021, 12:44:18 AM »

2) 60 day rule: I really don't like the idea of someone signing a FA and then shipping them off.  It seems like it would yield shady dealings.  The exception to that is that if a FA is signed during the season, I could see wanting to be able to move them at the deadline.  As for extensions, if you're team isn't interested in keeping the player, I don't want your team to artificially increase the player's value when you have no intention of keeping the player.   I'd rather them hit the FA market.


The issue I have with a statement like this is the following?
I resigned Tyler O?Neill, Jordan Hicks, Colin Moran and Willy Adames when it financially made sense for me to do so. I extended them because I want all 4 of them to be part of my roster going forward. However, within the next 2 weeks, O?Neill, Hicks and Moran got hurt, Robert, Trout and Arroyo got hurt and Luis Urias potentially lost his starting spot. None of those things are within my control, but now I?m left without enough starting OF or MI and no ability to deal players that I?ve resigned to team friendly deals.

So while I didn?t end up stuck for long, I could have ended up stuck for 30 or more days with no flexibility simply because I resigned players when it was financially best to do that and I don?t think that makes sense
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
:STL: 2022 FGM Champions
:NYY: 2022 Armchair Champions
:LAA: 2021 Wild Card 2 Champions
:PIT: 2015 Wild Card Baseball World Series Champions

Online jimw

  • All-Star
  • ***
  • Join Date: May 2021
  • Posts: 1778
  • Bonus inPoints: 0
    • :Blank:
    • :Blank:
    • :Blank:
    • :blank:
    • View Profile
Re: Thinking out loud
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2021, 01:32:59 AM »
New guy here.  I would be for IR list flexibility.

As far as the 60 day no trade rule, would it be possible to keep rule for new signings and allow extended players to be traded? MLB players aren't really traded much in April or May.  There is no MLB rule, but in practice new players to a team aren't really traded quickly. 

Extended players were already on the team, and while a player who gets an extension isn't traded quickly in real life I can see how the scenario that Ryan James puts forth about extending a player only to have your roster needs change due to injuries would cause a team to want/need to trade.

Being the newest member though, I will be happy with whatever is decided.
funny
0
like
1
dislike
0
No reactions
Members reacted like:
tdtdtd,
No reactions

Offline Brent

  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Aug 2010
  • Posts: 15335
  • Bonus inPoints: 3
    • :NO:
    • :Blank:
    • :Blank:
    • :LouisianaState:
    • :UnitedStates:
    • :CHC:
    • View Profile
Re: Thinking out loud
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2021, 04:47:17 PM »
The issue I have with a statement like this is the following?
I resigned Tyler O?Neill, Jordan Hicks, Colin Moran and Willy Adames when it financially made sense for me to do so. I extended them because I want all 4 of them to be part of my roster going forward. However, within the next 2 weeks, O?Neill, Hicks and Moran got hurt, Robert, Trout and Arroyo got hurt and Luis Urias potentially lost his starting spot. None of those things are within my control, but now I?m left without enough starting OF or MI and no ability to deal players that I?ve resigned to team friendly deals.

So while I didn?t end up stuck for long, I could have ended up stuck for 30 or more days with no flexibility simply because I resigned players when it was financially best to do that and I don?t think that makes sense

Exactly.  And we haven't even touched the subject of load management which MLB teams are doing with the 10-Day IL. 
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
:SEA: 2023 Field of Dreams - League Champion
:NOP: 2022-23 Buckets of Dimes - Eastern Conference Champion
:NO: 2021-2022 NFL Live -  30-4 (4-2) 2X NFC Runner-up/1X NFC South Champs
:NO: 2018-2020 NFL Countdown - 37-11 (3-2) 1X NFC Runner Up/2X NFC South Champs
8 ProFSL Hosted League Championships 2010-2019
Proud Member of the Who Dat Nation!

Offline Flash

  • *ProFSL Staff
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2010
  • Posts: 23232
  • Bonus inPoints: 319
    • :SFO:
    • :GS:
    • :SJ:
    • :California:
    • :UnitedStates:
    • :SF:
    • View Profile
Re: Thinking out loud
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2021, 02:57:46 PM »
Even though we?ve only had 1/3 of the league chime in on the issues at hand, here?s what I see:

1) There are at least 8 GMs who support having IL spots added on Fantrax.  That is enough to support a vote on a league wide referendum.  I would envision a 2 player Injured List with strict monitoring to injure player are not kept on the IL once they have been returned to regular status by their MLB team.  I believe Fantrax has a monitoring mechanism for this.  I will research further before posting the referendum for a vote, but from a practical perspective, I think an FGM IL should be limited to players on the 60 day IL, because it would seem to be unmanageable if we included those players on a 10 day IL.  Our rules aren?t as liberal as MLB?s as to who can be placed on our MiLB rosters, so as such, a 10 day IL doesn?t seem as debilitating as a 60 day IL because we have 20 active spots and a 40 player MLB roster.  In the meantime, it would help if GMs posted what they would envision as the ideal amount of IL spots and whether it should be limited to players on the 60 day IL.

2)  There isn?t enough support for a referendum on the 60 day no trade moratorium, so we cannot go any further on that issue at this time.

I will send out a league wide PM alerting everyone to this announcement.  However, feel free to continue the discussion for further clarification.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2021, 03:12:16 PM by Flash »
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
🏆 2021 FGM World Series Champion - :SF:
🏆 2017 WCB2 World Series Champion - :SD:
🏆 2021 BSN Football Mt West Champion :UNLV:
🏆 2021 BSN Football Big 10 Champion -  :Nebraska:
🏆 2021 BSN Football Pac-12 Champion :California:

Offline ldsjayhawk

  • League Moderator
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Oct 2011
  • Posts: 9952
  • Bonus inPoints: 0
    • :Blank:
    • :Blank:
    • :CLS:
    • :Kansas:
    • :SKC:
    • :KC:
    • View Profile
Re: Thinking out loud
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2021, 02:12:01 AM »
I think two on a 60 day IL is about right!
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
FGM :win: :SEA: 2017 + 2x AL West Div
BUSH AL :Bronze: :KC: 2021 + 4x AL Central Div
AFB AL :Bronze: :KC: 2012 + 1x Div
AFB NL :Bronze: :COL: 2018 + 2x Div

 

Forum Search


Quick Profile

 
 
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

* Chat Room

Refresh History
  • IndianaBuc: Braves155 PM
    May 05, 2024, 01:44:32 PM
  • Braves155: Replied IndianaBuc. Indiansnation...will look thru my PMs
    May 05, 2024, 02:23:52 PM
  • DaveW: back to you Brian
    May 05, 2024, 02:28:48 PM
  • Braves155: Back Brian
    May 05, 2024, 02:30:33 PM
  • Daddy: If i have 10 top level AA prospects each in the top 10 of the franchise vs one middle of the road pitcher like Cal Quantrill (or pick a guy) which one of those two packages are more valuable?
    May 05, 2024, 02:39:26 PM
  • Daddy: If you think its the AA guys send me a pm.
    May 05, 2024, 02:40:07 PM
  • Daddy: Also... Ive got a nice private island full of beautiful women to sell you. Pay me upfront and i will send you its coordinates. We call it the Virgin Daddy Islands. $5k reserves it for your future.
    May 05, 2024, 02:41:59 PM
  • dbreer23: Take two to tango, though. Most owners with adequate or surplus SP aren't interested in prospects as they're trying to win now.
    May 05, 2024, 02:42:54 PM
  • Daddy: Agreed. But most does not equal all.
    May 05, 2024, 02:45:09 PM
  • Braves155: My issue in LIVE currently is having Strider/Alcantara/Giolito all on the long shelf, so I am more retooling than rebuilding
    May 05, 2024, 02:46:48 PM
  • Daddy: Also agreed. Top quality pitching probably means not much depth. A few injuries can challenge you. Pitching other than top end pitching has been devalued in fantasy. Everyone wants the stud.
    May 05, 2024, 02:49:24 PM
  • Braves155: But I myself could use some time on a nudie island with some hot women
    May 05, 2024, 02:49:45 PM
  • Daddy: I here to tell you that ALL major league pitching is good pitching. A great hitter beats a terrible pitcher just 3 out of 10 times. Which means the worst pitchers > the greatest hitters.
    May 05, 2024, 02:50:33 PM
  • STLBlues91: Ill be around the rest of the day for any talks
    May 05, 2024, 03:25:59 PM
  • Brent: Greg Maddux had the best outlook.  He viewed himself as tye dealer/house and you had to beat him.  Just like in the casino, the house nearly always wins.
    May 05, 2024, 04:33:51 PM
  • Brent: He had that view b/c of his father who was a blackjack dealer in Vegas.
    May 05, 2024, 04:35:28 PM
  • Daddy: Yes @Brent!! That is it exactly. Pitching is the house & it always wins in the end.
    May 05, 2024, 05:15:18 PM
  • Daddy: There shouldn't be many innings available in FA in dynasty fantasy leagues IMO. Thats guaranteed money! To hell with High A ball.
    May 05, 2024, 05:21:23 PM
  • Daddy: Until someone starts a minor league baseball fantasy game or option. Maybe we can petition fantrax? I just dont think they will care for that.
    May 05, 2024, 05:23:07 PM
  • Daddy: Neither should we (so much). Every league i see is MLB.
    May 05, 2024, 05:24:17 PM
  • Daddy: Stcesorp meht kcuf
    May 05, 2024, 05:26:02 PM
  • Daddy: Stcepsorp*
    May 05, 2024, 05:26:33 PM
  • Braves155: The problem with the minors is not the system as a whole, it is some Farm Systems are more 'elite' at being able to produce talent than others. If you look across MLB teams you can pretty easily tell the great systems from the weaker systems and talent development
    May 05, 2024, 05:57:14 PM
  • Braves155: With regard to pitching in the Minors...there is  method to the madness. It is all about what you make of it tho. I agree that it can seem certain type arms in the minors are a dime a dozen
    May 05, 2024, 06:02:39 PM
  • Daddy: Mr Braves you are my guy. There isnt anything wrong with minor league studs or flops. I get it in REAL baseball.
    May 05, 2024, 06:20:28 PM
  • Daddy: This is fantasy baseball. We dont generate revenue selling prospects and merchandising. Our top farms dont get a write up in Sports Illustrated.
    May 05, 2024, 06:22:29 PM
  • Daddy: Load up on MLB guys, then near MLB guys, and only then is the quality of your prospects matter. Ya dig ;)
    May 05, 2024, 06:24:36 PM
  • Brent: I over value minors to a fault, but I am softening on that stance.
    May 05, 2024, 06:45:54 PM
  • dbreer23: @BigDon you around? Get a hold of me over at FT if you are.
    May 05, 2024, 08:22:38 PM
  • Daddy: Big ol NFL LIVE trade to get the day started on a Monday.
    Yesterday at 11:03:41 AM
  • Daddy: Congratulations to both GMs
    Yesterday at 11:03:58 AM
  • Daddy: If anyone didnt know.. The Philadelphia Phillies are good at baseball :)
    Yesterday at 11:14:22 AM
  • indiansnation: Dave w pm
    Yesterday at 03:10:22 PM
  • ldsjayhawk: FGM is looking for a GM.  If you are interested, please PM me
    Yesterday at 04:35:04 PM
  • Daddy: If i weren't so busy i would take it. FGM is a great league well run.
    Yesterday at 04:38:29 PM
  • STLBlues91: Ill be around the rest of the day for any trade talks
    Yesterday at 05:08:40 PM
  • Daddy: 23,575 views.. in a couple months. What am i talking about? "One" of the NHL LIVE sign up sheet.
    Yesterday at 07:06:21 PM
  • Daddy: See for yourself [link]
    Yesterday at 07:06:43 PM
  • Daddy: Now either there are a lot of people copying our style or trying to learn it.. or possibly there is just that much interest by visitors. Maybe both. Either way, we got to be doing something right. The NHL LIVE season, will start with an amateur draft.
    Yesterday at 07:08:56 PM
  • Daddy: Hard as it is to believe. There are a couple Franchises still available. See for yourself what all the fuss is about.
    Yesterday at 07:14:35 PM
  • Braves155: Will be around for talks tonight
    Yesterday at 08:43:53 PM
  • BayAreaBallers: Braves I messaged u back yesterday got no reply yet
    Yesterday at 08:56:53 PM
  • BayAreaBallers: Just sent it again in case it didn't go through yesterday
    Yesterday at 08:57:27 PM
  • Braves155: Replied BAB
    Yesterday at 09:11:26 PM
  • BayAreaBallers: Back to ya
    Yesterday at 09:43:46 PM
  • indiansnation: Kylerap pm
    Today at 12:47:06 AM
  • indiansnation: Stlblues91 pm
    Today at 12:47:38 AM
  • Daddy: If you are in NCAA Football & decide to do NCAA Basketball... Your same school will carry over to the new sport.
    Today at 02:09:40 AM
  • Daddy: Soon the NBA LIVE Pre Reserve sign up sheet will go up. A lot of people have been asking.
    Today at 02:10:36 AM
  • Daddy: The NFL teams come with NCAA. The NBA teams will be the same. NCAA Basketball will end with a 32 team tournament as a 64 team league. More details to come. Thanks!
    Today at 02:13:48 AM