NO 1-yr Contracts in FNHL (FA's + extensions)

[snugerud]

you mean you read this FNHL contract rule differently ...

i'm certain there's no mention of 1yr contract in there. however there is mention of contract length being "non-variable" per each value range.  btw, there doesn't seem to be any 1 yr FA contract in DNHL (extensions in DNHL - ok, but not FA contracts).

also, ask a question in a new thread if you want me, contract cop, ex-commish's, roving commish, hf47 to have a better chance of seeing it. if a question is asked in a player's FA bidding thread, we might not see it or get to it very quickly.  :toast:

When our commissioner and contract cop are using "loopholes" then it rubs off on the rest of the league.; 

Any league I have been in the Non-variable refers to salary amounts ie. you cant offer 3m year one and 1 million in year two.  Not the contract lengths.  so i find that argument reaching a bit.

You are incorrect about DNHL,  below is the rules of DNHL, well written and no room for interpretation.

Contract Limits
Except for any contract inherited in 2011, all contracts must be no longer than five years. Also, for a given salary, all contracts have term limits (max years contract can be per the yearly salary) as provided below.

Salary - Max Years
$5m+ - 5 years (the overall limit)
$3.5 to $4.9m - 4 years
$2 to $3.4m - 3 years
$0 to $1.9m - 2 years

Contract Limits for Extensions
Contract extensions follow the contract maximum lengths as shown above as well as their own minimum standards.

Salary - Min & Max Years
$6.5m+ - 5 years (the overall limit)
$5 to $6.4m - 4 or 5 years
$3.5 to $4.9m - 3 or 4 years
$2 to $3.4m - 2 or 3 years
$0 to $1.9m - 1 or 2 years


In the end my rant here is not about whether we can do 1 yr contracts,( although I do find the system very limiting ) its regarding the way the rule is written and left open for interpretation .  You even commented yourself you asked the same question just last year so obviously you were reading it differently just like I did , you know read/understood it the same...

Just a little clarity needs to be written as in my example below.  Especially considering new rules ideas are being thrown around in this league like girls panties at a Justin Beiber concert.

Contract Limits
Except for any contract inherited in 2010, all contracts must be no longer than five years and no less than 2 years.  Also, for a given salary, all contacts (extension, FA) have term limits (maximum and minimum  years contract can be per the salary) as provided below.

Maximum and Minimum Salaries / Years (non-variable)
<= $1.4m, 2 years
$1.5m - $5.4m, 3 years
$5.5m - $7.9m, 4 years
>=$8m, 5 years (the overall limit)

[thunderblade]

Pigs, when you edited the rule for off season extensions did you save the old rule? Can you post both so I can see it please. This off season extensions the way it is now worded undermines the integrity of the league in my opinion, lowering cap so you can acquire FA, BUNK, never was that way before. And while I am at it, this whole discussion of looking for loopholes in rules is laughable. This is a fun but very competitive hobby and there are people spending countless amount of hours scrutinizing and then manipulating and interpeting the rules for their own benefit. One year contracts, give it a rest. Who am I playing against here? A bunch of divorce lawyers.

[izaman3]

When our commissioner and contract cop are using "loopholes" then it rubs off on the rest of the league.; 

As contract cop, it's my duty to make sure that GMs are following the rules. If anything loopholes exist it is because the way the rules have been written and interpreted. If we want things to change, then we need to edit the rules, fix wording, or propose new rules.

Right now, that's not my job, but I'm happy to discuss those things. As long as people are following the rules in place, that's mainly what I care about.

[Drew]

I believe this is a simple edit. There is no mention of 1 year contracts being allowed but there is no mention of them not being allowed either.

We have contract limit ranges that for 2 year contracts go to 1.4m so why not just allow a 1 year contract if the limit is under that range as well. You won't see any 50m contract for 1 year because the contract limits won't allow it. The maximum you could see a 1 year contract for is 1.4m which is perfectly acceptable as a 1 year contract and not obscure by real NHL standards. There is no loophole when you go to re-sign as the most someone could save would be 1.2m.

In Backyard I don't have 1 year contracts stated in the rules but I allow them. I also allow if someone wants to take that 50m 1 year contract because all it will do is hurt their team for that season because they won't be able to field a team. Also it is very hard to sign a contract of say 10m for 1 year because someone will simply bid 12m on the guy and get him for 3 years at 4.0m instead.
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=15470.0

[PigsRule]

I believe this is a simple edit. There is no mention of 1 year contracts being allowed but there is no mention of them not being allowed either.
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i hope you're kiddin' drew.

it's straight fwd in this case, there are no 1-yr contracts for FAs nor for extensions in 2012-13...

if a 1yr option is requested by the majority, then the majority needs to speak up and ask for it because it will then impact a # of other rules (when to extend on a 1yr FA deal, values of 1yr deals, ... at this moment i count 2-3 ppl who want a 1yr deal available. also, it would only be implemented for 2013-14 because there's no need to make rule changes on the fly in this case.

[snugerud]

i am not asking for the 1 yr contracts to be implemented.  i just think the rule should be more clear so as to not cause a confusion for new GMs coming into the league. 

[Drew]

i hope you're kiddin' drew.

it's straight fwd in this case, there are no 1-yr contracts for FAs nor for extensions in 2012-13...

if a 1yr option is requested by the majority, then the majority needs to speak up and ask for it because it will then impact a # of other rules (when to extend on a 1yr FA deal, values of 1yr deals, ... at this moment i count 2-3 ppl who want a 1yr deal available. also, it would only be implemented for 2013-14 because there's no need to make rule changes on the fly in this case.

What do you mean implemented, you are taking it away. I am about 95% sure there has in the past been 1 year contracts given out and there is no mention in the rules about them being allowed or not.

Your being very contradictory in your "not wanting to change rules on the fly". Really it is only some things you wish to change and some you don't wish to change at the moment or if it is something you remember from the previous year.

Here is one mention of 1 year contracts by joeshome:
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=17299.msg81892#msg81892

1 year contracts given out:
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=11662.msg49204#msg49204
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=10387.msg45986#msg45986
There are many many 1 year contracts given out as extensions as well, just give it a search.

[PigsRule]

What do you mean implemented, you are taking it away. I am about 95% sure there has in the past been 1 year contracts given out and there is no mention in the rules about them being allowed or not.

Your being very contradictory in your "not wanting to change rules on the fly". Really it is only some things you wish to change and some you don't wish to change at the moment or if it is something you remember from the previous year.

Here is one mention of 1 year contracts by joeshome:
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=17299.msg81892#msg81892

1 year contracts given out:
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=11662.msg49204#msg49204
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=10387.msg45986#msg45986
There are many many 1 year contracts given out as extensions as well, just give it a search.

i'm surprised you're only jumping into the discussion now that 60% of free agency has been completed and after other discussions have been held on these pgs.

the discussion is good, however citing precedence only opens the door for other inconsistencies in different leagues, including this 1yr contract which wasn't applied consistently in the past. i recommend you post a poll on the FNHL home page with votes to be cast by reply (not radio buttons as anyone can click a radio). if a 1yr is requested, it will be implemented for 2013-14.

again, discussion is good but let's not make this a surpeme court case for a nice-to-have rule that doesn't adversely impact the league as a whole.

[PigsRule]

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aug23-12: note... i split this discussion out of the Ivan Telegin FA bidding thread given this topic's relevance. we'll move this thread to the FNHL home pg in couple of days. * also revised subject line.

thread now moved to FNHL home pg where it belongs, per note above.

[joeshmoe]

Drew is correct, a mere mistake in the grammar.  I thought it was implied that there was no limit for the amount of years.  This was the original intent of the rule and why it was implemented that way in different circumstances.