DISCUSSION: Supplemental Draft ELC value determination

[AntMan]

 

With all due respect, as vocal as you are, Detroit was to my recollection the first team to drop & draft during the inaugural supplemental. Goalie Larson I think. Ironically you opened the door that others are walking through now.

I thought both ideas were creatively delivered by Mordacai. Not sure but back to point of conversation

I think I’m ok with the supplemental draft providing Montreal franchise ability for the player. I just see the prospect contract rules are clearly posted (not grey or in need of interpretation) so I do not agree with signing a player on a different pay scale until after the rule is announced/introduced to the entire league.

If we start the rule after the draft I’m very cool with the change; level playing field for all.

[izaman3]

 

With all due respect, as vocal as you are, Detroit was to my recollection the first team to drop & draft during the inaugural supplemental. Goalie Larson I think. Ironically you opened the door that others are walking through now.

 :rofl: You are 100% right, I was the first team to buy out then draft a supplemental player. But I think those are two different doors that people are combining. Though I drafted re-drafted him in the Supp draft, I always expected to pay Larsson an ELC value based on his draft position because the written rules seem pretty clear to me with no grey area.

At the end of the day, I trust the way PR and PPG run the league and whatever they want to do is fine. The reason that I'm being so vocal is because I care rules and having things clearly layed out for all GMs. Currently, buying out a player and drafting them again is allowable in the rules. This supp draft player contract was never outlined or added to the Contracts page. Because ELCs for entry draft players are determined by real life draft position, I had no reason to believe any different for supp players.

I'm going to shut up about this now because I'm sure plenty of owners are getting tired of me and all my  :bla: :bla: :bla:

I was never actually upset, just surprised and trying to clarify the thought process. I think in a 31-team league, the best money league on the site, there is plenty of room for discussion and disagreement. 

[jackdaniels]

As much as I dislike the Montreal franchise, I think Mordecai checked his facts and followed a process of due diligence to execute his plan    :puke: Chunks came up while I was being nice about :puke::MON-NHL:

PPG & PR posted clarification.
I have to agree a standard ELC for SDP works.

It's time to move past this guys.

[dazfoster]

The opinon of the Vancouver GM

Is that MiLR players should be allowed to be dropped and then re-supplement picked if that GM wants to, but then that player has to be automatically signed to roster contract.
As stats in the MiLR rules: Once a player is removed from the MiLR they are ineligible to return to the MiLR.

The player contract should be league minimum, unless the said player has previously been drafted in the FNHL draft, then that player undergoes the same rules as of the ELC Contract Value.
All GM's are responsible to check if said player was drafted in the FNFL Entry Draft, as this is easily done seeing as all the drafts have a link in the rules page. Therefore not putting further work on PR and PPG.
You can always just put the player on a 1 year contract, and take the overpayment salary for a year, until he reaches his true value or below it.

Plus that of Franchise Tags i be fine allowing Supplement picks having them, as long as the player haven't been drafted in the FNFL Entry Draft by another team, if they have they are ineligible unless they meet the last of the two Franchise Tag Rules, that states:
(B) Plays for same NHL team as FNHL team or if that team dracted then first in the FNHL draft

For me for every supplement player to have a set minimum contract if previous drafted or not, will just open the door for all high picked prospects to be dropped then re-supplement picked by their respective teams and to use a loophole to gain Salary advantage of 4-10% over a 2 year period if do it with 4 prospects, 2 per year, which for some teams could be 3 1st Round prospects).
Which in my view is cheating the Salary Cap Idea of the league.

Plus the Supplement Draft was first put forward to give a chance to find non drafted players, and add them to the MiLR roster instead of using up valuable main roster space

[Rock On]

I get what you're saying Dazfoster. But the mods have stated they want to make the supplemental draft a streamlined process to implement and administer. I've been here a year and can see half the owners do not post contracts accurately.

There's also comments about cutting around the higher range ELC's with drop and draft during the supplemental but from what I've found in the history of this league, haven't a number of owners done that regularly by signing a top draftee to a 1yr ELC when they are not even close to reaching the NHL only to extend them for the league minimum. 

[Rock On]

To be clear, my San Jose Sharks have no top picks in our MiLR nor do we have any top pick this year in the entry draft. We have benefitted from the drop and draft tactic this year.

I've run a few leagues in my time and this one has much more manual processing than most so if the mods want to limit the manual processing, I don't blame them and trust their doing it for the good of all AND avoid burn. I don't think they get any cash from the pool for the work they put in so we should ease up on the demands for a real life experience because they might just send us a big bill for their time.

[PsychoticPondGoons]

Plenty of valid points raised.

It is a challenge to update all instances where a rule touches other rules (example: more than 80% of our rules impact contracts and conditions of contract types/situations).

Looking ahead, we can vote to see how owners feel about a transaction freeze during the Supplemental Draft in the future.

[blkhwkfn]

As much as I dislike the Montreal franchise, I think Mordecai checked his facts and followed a process of due diligence to execute his plan    :puke: Chunks came up while I was being nice about :puke::MON-NHL:

PPG & PR posted clarification.
I have to agree a standard ELC for SDP works.

It's time to move past this guys.

:iatp:  :toast: